Is packaged food "food"? Spices ,noodles, cookies , etc.
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I have on several occasions declined to use the machine because I wasn't comfortable being forced to answer a question. Again, the form is completed under penalty of perjury, so it's no non-trivial to have a wrong answer. Just entered the USA from Turkey yesterday carrying, as I always do when I visit Turkey, several boxes of double pistachio Turkish delight. On the food question, I ticked "no" (it's yummy, but definitely not "food"), but then listed it on the back as "sweets".
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As a frequent traveler to Japan (Shizuoka-Fujieda) this has interested me to the point that I tested customs inspectors once by purchasing noodles in the USA and taking them with me to Japan (with receipt) then purchasing the exact same noodles for the return home trip. I wanted to see what would happen. Upon return I was asked to open by bag/s (Seattle, Wa.) and guess what? I was told that I could not keep the noodles initially. That is until I showed a receipt for the noodles that I purchased in the USA which happened to be the exact same product purchased in Japan. Initially they stated, "Because they contain chicken and/or pork" I called them out on it. There was no difference in the ingredients with respect to the USA purchased which was labeled clearly 'Product from Japan'. When I asked the inspectors to explain this they became very perplexed and offered no rationale explanation or answer.
So if you do purchase 'Instant Ramen' products in Japan push the issue with them. They are 'processed' products and ingredients in them do NOT pose a threat to people and/or animals in the USA. That excuse is utter rubbish. For me purchasing them in Japan is always cheaper than in the USA. They also have a much bigger selection.
Now I no longer travel between Seattle and Japan. I now leave/arrive and arrive from Vancouver BC then drive to Seattle. I have never in the 5+ years thus far been asked to open my bags (airport or border crossing). The same can't be said of Seattle....every arrival I was asked to open my bags. Los Angeles airport was another airport I was never asked to open my bags as well. It's also significantly cheaper to fly outta Vancouver BC than Seattle...nearly half the cost per R/T ticket.
So if you do purchase 'Instant Ramen' products in Japan push the issue with them. They are 'processed' products and ingredients in them do NOT pose a threat to people and/or animals in the USA. That excuse is utter rubbish. For me purchasing them in Japan is always cheaper than in the USA. They also have a much bigger selection.
Now I no longer travel between Seattle and Japan. I now leave/arrive and arrive from Vancouver BC then drive to Seattle. I have never in the 5+ years thus far been asked to open my bags (airport or border crossing). The same can't be said of Seattle....every arrival I was asked to open my bags. Los Angeles airport was another airport I was never asked to open my bags as well. It's also significantly cheaper to fly outta Vancouver BC than Seattle...nearly half the cost per R/T ticket.
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As a frequent traveler to Japan (Shizuoka-Fujieda) this has interested me to the point that I tested customs inspectors once by purchasing noodles in the USA and taking them with me to Japan (with receipt) then purchasing the exact same noodles for the return home trip. I wanted to see what would happen. Upon return I was asked to open by bag/s (Seattle, Wa.) and guess what? I was told that I could not keep the noodles initially. That is until I showed a receipt for the noodles that I purchased in the USA which happened to be the exact same product purchased in Japan. Initially they stated, "Because they contain chicken and/or pork" I called them out on it. There was no difference in the ingredients with respect to the USA purchased which was labeled clearly 'Product from Japan'. When I asked the inspectors to explain this they became very perplexed and offered no rationale explanation or answer.
So if you do purchase 'Instant Ramen' products in Japan push the issue with them. They are 'processed' products and ingredients in them do NOT pose a threat to people and/or animals in the USA. That excuse is utter rubbish. For me purchasing them in Japan is always cheaper than in the USA. They also have a much bigger selection.
So if you do purchase 'Instant Ramen' products in Japan push the issue with them. They are 'processed' products and ingredients in them do NOT pose a threat to people and/or animals in the USA. That excuse is utter rubbish. For me purchasing them in Japan is always cheaper than in the USA. They also have a much bigger selection.
You need to refer to 3-19-1 in Animal Product Manual to determine if item can be imported, imported with permit, or prohibited.
Last edited by seawolf; Jan 14, 2018 at 8:15 am
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While I commend you on the initiative, this is NOT good advice because depending on country of origin processed pork products may require a permit. Just because you purchased the same exact item in US does not make it importable by you as a traveler unless you have applicable permit.
You need to refer to 3-19-1 in Animal Product Manual to determine if item can be imported, imported with permit, or prohibited.
Last edited by udidwht; Jan 14, 2018 at 9:12 am
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The product purchased in Japan was the exact same as purchased in USA (label and all). Japan does not import pork from outside it's borders. The product I purchased in the USA was clearly labeled 'Product of Japan' made in Japan meaning it was from the same origin as product purchased in Japan. Processed products are not raw products and are safe from passing any type of disease due to the process it goes thru. The animal product manual is generally referred for those in the business of importing/exporting. Personal consumption is hardly that to any degree.
Take moon cake as an example. If passenger buys a box of moon cake in the US containing yolk, takes it out of US and brings it back in to US, CBP will have to crack open one of the moon cake to verify the yolk is cooked properly.
I'm not saying you can't import ramen containing pork/chicken product/soup base from Japan. I'm just saying being able to purchase the item from a grocer in the US does not necessarily make it importable by a traveler without applicable permit (or additional restrictions).
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The product purchased in Japan was the exact same as purchased in USA (label and all). Japan does not import pork from outside it's borders. The product I purchased in the USA was clearly labeled 'Product of Japan' made in Japan meaning it was from the same origin as product purchased in Japan. Processed products are not raw products and are safe from passing any type of disease due to the process it goes thru. The animal product manual is generally referred for those in the business of importing/exporting. Personal consumption is hardly that to any degree.
Soup mix or ramen with pork ingredients from Japan is allowed in passenger baggage. Japan currently has no highly pathogenic avian influenza outbreaks and is classified as negligible BSE risk, so poultry and beef ingredients in soup are also OK as of right now.
The restriction on poultry products is annoying, but it makes sense scientifically--certification is required that the poultry product was cooked to a minimum temperature of 165F. It's possible for viruses to survive spray-drying, so while the risk of introducing avian influenza in soup mix is very low, it's not zero. Obviously the noodles that are also commercially available in the US meet that requirement, but there's no way for CBP to know every brand of ramen on the Japanese market.
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USCBP asks "food" because the allowed/disallowed list is ever-changing. It can even depend on origin. They even send releases every late-summer telling Chinese/Vietnamese speakers, domestic and foreign, whether mooncakes are allowed that year. (Meat is always disallowed, but the yolk will depend on current flu status and origin.)
Bagged instant noodles are generally problem free. Chicken/beef in the form of soup/powder/bullion is always OK. Meat chunks, however, are not. But this is usually only a problem for cup/bowl noodles, not plastic wrapped "cake" units.
Bagged instant noodles are generally problem free. Chicken/beef in the form of soup/powder/bullion is always OK. Meat chunks, however, are not. But this is usually only a problem for cup/bowl noodles, not plastic wrapped "cake" units.
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Is packaged food "food"? Spices ,noodles, cookies , etc.
I understand flying into the USA that you cannot bring fruits or vegitables or meats ,
But is asked if you have " any food" what is the proper answer if you have some canned food , cookies , spices etc.
I bring back spices sometimes , Ramon noodles with weird spices and cookies to nibble on.
But reading some postings here , I am wondering if I better declare these ( or not buy them) just to be safe if pulled into secondary,
Your thoughts ? Thanks
But is asked if you have " any food" what is the proper answer if you have some canned food , cookies , spices etc.
I bring back spices sometimes , Ramon noodles with weird spices and cookies to nibble on.
But reading some postings here , I am wondering if I better declare these ( or not buy them) just to be safe if pulled into secondary,
Your thoughts ? Thanks