[Texas] DL [with out of state address] not accepted - what now?
Last week at PHX, the document checker took exception to my TX DL because it has an out of state address on it. I've never in 10 years of having a DL like this had a problem, but the screener insisted my ID was not valid and asked for another form. A third supervisor finally allowed me through, but warned me to "get the ID situation squared away next time I came to PHX."
Problem is, the ID is valid. There's no "situation". Can TSA unilaterally declared it invalid and refuse to accept it anyway? On what basis? And what are my other options? |
So you have a Texas license with a non-Texas address?
Or is it that you’re flying out of Arizona with a Texas license? I know here in California the letter of the law is that once you’ve been here 30 days you have to have a California drivers license to drive in California. So if what TSA is saying is that you can’t fly out of Arizona with a Texas license that seems very bizarre. But if they’re saying a Texas license has to show a Texas address I have no idea what the law is. and wouldn’t your options be getting a license in the state that you live? Showing an in-state address? Forgive me if I’m misunderstanding the problem. |
Originally Posted by squeakr
(Post 30994412)
Or is it that you’re flying out of Arizona with a Texas license? I know here in California the letter of the law is that once you’ve been here 30 days you have to have a California drivers license to drive in California. So if what TSA is saying is that you can’t fly out of Arizona with a Texas license that seems very bizarre. But if they’re saying a Texas license has to show a Texas address I have no idea what the law is. and wouldn’t your options be getting a license in the state that you live? Showing an in-state address? Forgive me if I’m misunderstanding the problem. I doubt that a random TSA agent is an expert regarding address requirements for drivers' licenses in all fifty states. In fact, I very much doubt that the 30 days rule is universal, and it could also matter whether the OP actually drives (and where). IIRC I was once in a situation where I was not required by any state government rule to have yet changed the license, but my insurance company wanted documentation of the new license number. [This might have been a matter of an extended temporary job away from home of somewhat uncertain duration.] |
Originally Posted by squeakr
(Post 30994412)
Or is it that you’re flying out of Arizona with a Texas license? I know here in California the letter of the law is that once you’ve been here 30 days you have to have a California drivers license to drive in California. So if what TSA is saying is that you can’t fly out of Arizona with a Texas license that seems very bizarre. But if they’re saying a Texas license has to show a Texas address I have no idea what the law is. and wouldn’t your options be getting a license in the state that you live? Showing an in-state address? Forgive me if I’m misunderstanding the problem. (I have a GE ID, but I don't carry it anymore because it was always declined for quality of the photo) |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 30994422)
I doubt that a random TSA agent is an expert regarding address requirements for drivers' licenses in all fifty states. In fact, I very much doubt that the 30 days rule is universal, and it could also matter whether the OP actually drives (and where). In addition, Texas requires applicants to complete a Texas residency affidavit which states: "To be eligible for a Texas driver license or identification card, the applicant must be a resident of or domiciled in Texas" and: "The individual who resides at the address in Section A must complete Section B certifying that the applicant resides at that address and provide two acceptable documents establishing proof of residency." ETA: Then I found this: If your true, fixed and permanent home (domicile) is in Texas and you are living outside of the state, you may be eligible to renew or replace your Texas driver license or ID card without returning to Texas. Examples of people living outside of the state who have Texas domicile include certain U.S. active duty military members, students whose parents live in Texas and people temporarily living outside of Texas for work. |
Originally Posted by TWA884
(Post 30994462)
The Texas rule is 90 days.
In addition, Texas requires applicants to complete a Texas residency affidavit which states: "To be eligible for a Texas driver license or identification card, the applicant must be a resident of or domiciled in Texas" and: "The individual who resides at the address in Section A must complete Section B certifying that the applicant resides at that address and provide two acceptable documents establishing proof of residency." ETA: Then I found this: My concern is that both my forms of ID's have now been declined. I'm kind of running out of options - is this a screener being picky, or a new thing? |
Get yourself a passport and passport card. Carry the passport card for travel and generally as officially government issued photo ID. It's hard for anyone to argue against the passport card and it doesn't have an address. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 30994556)
Get yourself a passport and passport card. Carry the passport card for travel and generally as officially government issued photo ID. It's hard for anyone to argue against the passport card and it doesn't have an address. I guess my other question is, can they decline every ID I have with me? My DL is ReadID compliant and the GE card obviously is. Is something else going on here? Screener threatened to confiscate my DL, so I'm pretty concerned, and curious what law allows them to do that. |
Originally Posted by Kate2015
(Post 30994592)
I have a passport, but it's kind of expensive to replace...
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...4dd1f7887a.jpg |
You might want to let your Texas US rep and senators know about this, including that your husband is active duty. Given how proud Texans are of being Texans, and add in the fact that they are generally supportive of the military, and it might get some traction. |
Originally Posted by TWA884
(Post 30994631)
You can use a U.S. Department of Defense dependent ID, if you have one, or get a passport card.
Originally Posted by Kamalaasaa
(Post 30994793)
You might want to let your Texas US rep and senators know about this, including that your husband is active duty. Given how proud Texans are of being Texans, and add in the fact that they are generally supportive of the military, and it might get some traction. |
So you have several other ID options as well as getting a passport card (to which you've not responded), but don't carry them with you, so then what other options are you seeking? How often do you lose important documents that you're so afraid of carrying them with you?
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Originally Posted by Kate2015
(Post 30994441)
(I have a GE ID, but I don't carry it anymore because it was always declined for quality of the photo)
Originally Posted by Kate2015
(Post 30994814)
I don't carry my dependent ID with me. I suppose I'll get a passport card, but I'm afraid they'll find some reason to deny that too. It's a lot of money to spend for no legal reason.
And, unlike the photo taken for Global Entry, the photo on the Passport Card is a passport photo that YOU provide as part of your application - and not a snapshot taken from the Global Entry interviewing officer's crappy web camera with typically lousy fluorescent government office lighting. If the picture quality is the problem on your GE card, a Passport Card will certainly solve that problem. |
Also, if ordered along with a passport book renewal the passport card is by far the cheapest federally acceptable ID on a per year basis; it's $30 for 10 years, or $3/year.
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You might carry a copy of the Texas law allowing out of state addresses on a drivers license.
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Originally Posted by CKDGM
(Post 30995074)
Also, if ordered along with a passport book renewal the passport card is by far the cheapest federally acceptable ID on a per year basis; it's $30 for 10 years, or $3/year.
A Military dependent ID card is also an government ID that is accepted and it is free - the OP has one and refuses to use it so VoV |
Originally Posted by Kate2015
(Post 30994814)
I don't carry my dependent ID with me.
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Originally Posted by Kate2015
(Post 30994441)
I'm a Texas resident, living in Illinois, flying home from Arizona on a business trip. Texas allows me to have an out-of-state address on my DL - that's the law there in certain situations. My question is, if I don't have another ID, can I take the chance? Continue to ask for a supervisor? What?
(I have a GE ID, but I don't carry it anymore because it was always declined for quality of the photo) The valid TX ID is acceptable for flying domestically in the US, so continue to use it without burdening yourself with carrying additional ID when you have no required need for carrying additional ID. The more ID you travel with together and thereby place at risk of loss/theft, the easier you make life for identity thieves of various sorts. “Less is more” comes to mind. |
https://www.tsa.gov/contact-center/form/complaints File a complaint and request that the PHX screeners be retrained. Make it brief & to the point, but I'd phrase it as you're a TX resident with an unexpired valid license issued by TX with a temporary out of state address (not that you're living in IL, which could imply that you're really an IL resident). Same if a TSA screener hassles you in the future. |
Would the TSA have the authority to confiscate a DL? I would certainly call for a police officer if that happened.
Then you could, in theory, go through the procedure for flying without valid ID. Or, to make this simpler, you could just get a passport card or use your passport (how is losing that any more likely or problematic than losing your drivers license?) |
Originally Posted by ijgordon
(Post 31022511)
Would the TSA have the authority to confiscate a DL? I would certainly call for a police officer if that happened.
Then you could, in theory, go through the procedure for flying without valid ID. Or, to make this simpler, you could just get a passport card or use your passport (how is losing that any more likely or problematic than losing your drivers license?) If I'm out of town and my wallet gets stolen, I know that when I get back home, I have at least one valid ID to use to start rebuilding. If I'm traveling domestically, the at-home ID is my passport. If I'm traveling outside the country, my DL stays at home. I shouldn't have to put myself at greater risk or have to pay money for additional IDs just because a screener chooses to impose his/her own rules. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 30998118)
Just don’t worry about the TSA making up stuff like this and just continue to use your Texas ID as usual.
1. TSA's website does not specifiy a particular standard for ID/DL; and, 2. Both AZ and TX are REAL ID compliant states (assuming your TX DL is REAL ID compliant); and, 3. TSA accepts various documentation regardless if it is on its own list or not. |
Originally Posted by ijgordon
(Post 31022511)
Would the TSA have the authority to confiscate a DL? I would certainly call for a police officer if that happened.
Then you could, in theory, go through the procedure for flying without valid ID. Or, to make this simpler, you could just get a passport card or use your passport (how is losing that any more likely or problematic than losing your drivers license?) A lost US state driving license is way less likely to result in future international travel hassles at foreign ports than a lost passport, duly reported as lost — hassles they can come even if the reported passport was lost more than 1/2/4/5/10 years ago. |
I have a Texas DL with a an out-of-Texas address on it and have for nearly 20 years. Never once has the TSA not accepted it. A few times checkers have made comments, and once a girl asked for a supervisor but in five seconds after his arrival I was let through. The address on the license is not something required for any TSA screening. Ask for a supervisor, get the doc checkers name, and contact the FSD at the airport so the person can be re-educated. I know over 20 people with TX DLs with out-of-state addresses and none of have ever had a problem either.
Sounds like an untrained screener, let the FSD know. |
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