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mauld Oct 15, 2018 3:26 pm

No customs forms any more when returning to US?
 
(If this has been addressed elsewhere or in another Forum, please advise or move)
I travel internationally fairly often and am used to filling out the US customs declarations form upon my return to the US. Coming back from Cancun to EWR last month, I duly filled out the form, went through immigration and as I only had carry on breezed thru baggage claim, but didn't see the usual officers taking the forms anywhere. Exiting, I asked an official and he took my form ( without even looking at it), and tossed it in the garbage. Just last week, coming into JFK on DL from MAD we didn't even get a form to fill out. Again, with only carry on, breezed through. Not complaining, but when did this change? Also how are those 'protectors', who lambast me about bringing in vacuum packed deli from Europe feeing knowing that Im now exposing the entire US population to all sorts of ills, without seeing them declared and me being if not arrested (for bringing in these forbidden items), at least fined ��



TWA884 Oct 15, 2018 6:35 pm

From another thread:

Originally Posted by Viajero Perpetuo (Post 30319066)
Experienced it today at LAX TB. All the APC kiosks were closed replaced by a very short US/Canada citizens line and an announcement that the customs form was not needed. You hand over your passport, perhaps get a few questions then your photo is taken and you are on your way assuming there is no problem.


Reindeerflame Feb 26, 2019 9:55 pm

No customs forms any more when returning to US?
 
We recently returned from Japan and Taiwan through SFO. To our surprise, we were not asked to complete a US customs declaration, either a paper one or an electronic version through a kiosk. Have these been entirely abolished for US citizens?

Suppose we had been carrying $750,000 in gold or jade products. How would these have been discovered?

GUWonder Feb 27, 2019 4:38 am


Originally Posted by Reindeerflame (Post 30826032)
We recently returned from Japan and Taiwan through SFO. To our surprise, we were not asked to complete a US customs declaration, either a paper one or an electronic version through a kiosk. Have these been entirely abolished for US citizens?

Suppose we had been carrying $750,000 in gold or jade products. How would these have been discovered?

The paper forms are still handed out on many flights and can still be used by US citizens at many airports of entry, even when/if directed to APC kiosks.

Imports can be declared via electronic means as well and supplemented by written or oral declarations.

Often1 Feb 27, 2019 5:35 am

There is a concerted effort to end the use of paper declarations, certainly in advance and onboard. The fewer and fewer people who feel they need to make a written declaration may obtain one on arrival.

TWA884 Feb 27, 2019 8:43 am

This has been discussed in the Checkpoints and Borders Policy Debate forum:

davie355 Mar 2, 2019 10:17 am

Do you mean you didn't itemize your goods, or you didn't answer any customs-related questions at all?

The kiosks (should) ask a very short form of questions like "do you have meat, fruit" and "are you over your duty exemption" but the kiosk does not ask for a list of products, as the paper forms do.

maninblack Mar 2, 2019 11:17 am

Our airports will be moving towards a "simplified Primary". Facial recognition, less passport checks, etc With this comes a lack of typical baggage checkpoints. We're moving more towards targeting and on foot teams in the baggage carousels. This means no more declarations, sorta.

Reindeerflame Mar 2, 2019 11:49 pm


Originally Posted by davie355 (Post 30839147)
Do you mean you didn't itemize your goods, or you didn't answer any customs-related questions at all?

The kiosks (should) ask a very short form of questions like "do you have meat, fruit" and "are you over your duty exemption" but the kiosk does not ask for a list of products, as the paper forms do.

No questions at all; no forms, no kiosks: nothing. The immigration inspector asked a few questions about our trip and our home community, but that’s all. No queries anywhere about goods being brought in or anything about prohibited items, like certain fruits or meats. In the customs area, everyone walked through an area of apparently unstaffed counters without interacting with any personnel.

TWA884 Mar 3, 2019 9:10 am


Originally Posted by Reindeerflame (Post 30841215)


No questions at all; no forms, no kiosks: nothing. The immigration inspector asked a few questions about our trip and our home community, but that’s all. No queries anywhere about goods being brought in or anything about prohibited items, like certain fruits or meats. In the customs area, everyone walked through an area of apparently unstaffed counters without interacting with any personnel.

maninblack is a CBP officer. Take a look at his response.

GUWonder Mar 3, 2019 3:29 pm


Originally Posted by Reindeerflame (Post 30841215)


No questions at all; no forms, no kiosks: nothing. The immigration inspector asked a few questions about our trip and our home community, but that’s all. No queries anywhere about goods being brought in or anything about prohibited items, like certain fruits or meats. In the customs area, everyone walked through an area of apparently unstaffed counters without interacting with any personnel.

Except it being at the airport, the above sounds a lot like what used to be the norm for my Canada-US road crossing trips around say Niagara Falls. Even without submitting a customs declaration form, border control authorities (CBP predecessor) still managed to search/question some people on a more targeted basis.

With regard to customs control, it seems like CBP is trying to move more in the direction of the EU countries in regard to how and where they direct resources for customs searches. Customs declaration forms aren’t a common submission for passengers entering the EU/Schengen zones, and yet there is flagging “behind the scenes” and targeting at the airports from time to time. The CBP is sort of headed in the same direction, but with way more resources per arrival passenger from beyond the customs zone than is the case in the EU/Schengen countries.

Boraxo Mar 9, 2019 4:18 pm

This is great news, but it begs the question of whether GE is still worthwhile if everyone else can now zip through immigration and customs.

blue_can Mar 10, 2019 11:45 am

No customs forms were being collected at SAN last summer when I arrived from LHR although the BA was giving out paper forms. SAN has undergone recent renovation and although there were GE kiosks there were no APC kiosks. At the time I was not a GE member so I was not sure how GE was being processed although there were kiosks which I assume were giving out printed declaration forms. As a non-GE member I simply collected my luggage, went to the officer, a few quick questions and I was done. It seemed like they were using some sort of facial recognition to verify identity.

This also made me think of the value of GE if non-GE passengers can get though without filling forms but GE member need to fill out forms on the kiosk, declare food etc.

Boraxo Mar 10, 2019 1:22 pm


Originally Posted by blue_can (Post 30869532)
This also made me think of the value of GE if non-GE passengers can get though without filling forms but GE member need to fill out forms on the kiosk, declare food etc.

Thats my thinking too. If there is no line then maybe quicker to go to an officer instead of a kiosk and then no delays due to a couple of candy bars.

blue_can Mar 10, 2019 2:07 pm


Originally Posted by Boraxo (Post 30869858)


Thats my thinking too. If there is no line then maybe quicker to go to an officer instead of a kiosk and then no delays due to a couple of candy bars.

...unless they change the GE procedure and allow GE passengers to check themselves out of the airport after reporting at a machine, having the identity verified and having nothing to declare.

I thought I saw a post on this forum somewhere about some POEs no longer collecting GE slips so maybe that is part of the new procedure?

N830MH Mar 13, 2019 11:45 pm

That's official!

You won't need a customs forms anymore. You can go through right at the door. He told me that I no longer used Mobile Passport. He says "You're all set!". Good to go. I just went through immigration. I just got back home from Switzerland trips on this Monday evening.

kevinpauly Mar 25, 2019 9:07 pm

Im coming back to the US pretty soon. Been out for a few months. So you no longer have this anymore at all airports? Anyone know about JFK? Last few times i flew into JFK, they had those face kiosks where previously they never had it.

nrr Mar 29, 2019 12:08 am


Originally Posted by blue_can (Post 30870007)
...unless they change the GE procedure and allow GE passengers to check themselves out of the airport after reporting at a machine, having the identity verified and having nothing to declare.

I thought I saw a post on this forum somewhere about some POEs no longer collecting GE slips so maybe that is part of the new procedure?

With GE slips one can get the dreaded X, if there are NO slips how would they know you didn't get an X--a siren goes off.:confused:

blue_can Mar 29, 2019 12:16 am


Originally Posted by nrr (Post 30941710)
a siren goes off.:confused:

Yep..and maybe barriers will come up and block the passenger in the GE booth until CBP comes over ;)

mauld Mar 29, 2019 7:56 am

Just returned from Rome and received my CBP on board (1st time in the past 4 out of country trips, BTW). At EWR we arrived in Terminal C, and did the electronic Passport, with photo and receipt. I only had carry on and at the end of baggage claim the officer took my Electronic receipt and told me to just throw the CBP away. Strange that it is still being handed out and yet no one wants it!

maninblack Mar 29, 2019 9:19 am

Airlines hand them out to cover their butts. Sometimes if I'm on the line, I'll collect them. Other times I'll give it back to the passenger.

There have been times when the kiosks go down and we require every passenger to have the old form. When it is found out that the crew did not pass them out on the plane, we will hold the crewmembers on the line until all of their passengers are processed. Sucks for them, but now you'll find crews that pass them out all the time, whether we want them to or not.

GUWonder Mar 29, 2019 10:37 am


Originally Posted by maninblack (Post 30942899)
Airlines hand them out to cover their butts. Sometimes if I'm on the line, I'll collect them. Other times I'll give it back to the passenger.

There have been times when the kiosks go down and we require every passenger to have the old form. When it is found out that the crew did not pass them out on the plane, we will hold the crewmembers on the line until all of their passengers are processed. Sucks for them, but now you'll find crews that pass them out all the time, whether we want them to or not.

I have never seen all the crew members held up until the very last passenger of my wide body flights have cleared into the baggage claim area. Given the pace at which some passengers get to the baggage claim, that could be a very long wait.

I see these forms handed out on most flights of mine back to the US, and on them I’m often amongst the minority of passengers who don’t take the forms. Even many GE members seem to take the forms from the FAs/airline, but I guess those are the ones who are infrequent users of GE kiosks even with their GE membership. I always have a few spare forms that are mostly filled out because sometimes they speed things up for me.

I am curious when the latest batch of these forms handed out on planes were printed out, but not so curious as to invest anything in finding out.


blue_can Mar 29, 2019 10:51 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 30943129)


I’m often amongst the minority of passengers who don’t take the forms.


Me too. I once asked an FA why they still give them out and I don't think she had a good answer. But nothing about the crew being held up until the passengers were cleared.

One place I have not seen paper forms in years is at YVR. For a while prior to getting rid of them there were notices that the paper forms would be going away. Sure enough they went away and now you have to use the machines.

The system really ought to be designed so that a situation where all the machines can go down without backup can be avoided.

mauld Mar 29, 2019 10:57 am


Originally Posted by kevinpauly (Post 30929910)
Im coming back to the US pretty soon. Been out for a few months. So you no longer have this anymore at all airports? Anyone know about JFK? Last few times i flew into JFK, they had those face kiosks where previously they never had it.

Flew into JFK late last year from Madrid, picture/kiosk was all that was done, no CBP form needed and breezed through customs in minutes.

kevinpauly Mar 29, 2019 5:58 pm

Hey all curious. I recently flew back into the US via delta airlines. When i came back in the us, the computers you use etc were much different than the ones i used previously. I usually fly back to the US via jetblue. And the area of the computers was not the same place as the last few times i flew back to the us via jetblue. So i assume different airlines have different kiosks for international arrival? Or its the same? Also when you go and give that slip to customs, you give them the slip and they look at you and the slip and say thanks and thats all. Previously i recalled you had to go through us customs twice? Like first they ask you for the paper and passport and might ask you a question or so. Then you give the paper to another officer when you leave to go and collect your luggage?


So did this all change? Or its because i flew into the us via delta as oppose to jetblue?

Boraxo Mar 29, 2019 6:06 pm

This is a massive improvement - breezed through quickly even though I checked the declare box. Was asked what I was declaring I said 2 botttles and some cookies. CBP lady just waved me on. Long lines for non GE US citizens.

Good to see CBP now focused on narcotraffickers and foreigners bringing weird foods as they should be.

TWA884 Mar 29, 2019 11:06 pm


Originally Posted by kevinpauly (Post 30944554)
Previously i recalled you had to go through us customs twice? Like first they ask you for the paper and passport and might ask you a question or so. Then you give the paper to another officer when you leave to go and collect your luggage?


So did this all change? Or its because i flew into the us via delta as oppose to jetblue?

Take a look at this thread:

blue_can Mar 30, 2019 1:14 pm


Originally Posted by Boraxo (Post 30944573)
This is a massive improvement - breezed through quickly even though I checked the declare box. Was asked what I was declaring I said 2 botttles and some cookies. CBP lady just waved me on. Long lines for non GE US citizens.

Good to see CBP now focused on narcotraffickers and foreigners bringing weird foods as they should be.

No more GE paper receipts? - or something else they have improved from before?

Boraxo Mar 30, 2019 10:43 pm


Originally Posted by blue_can (Post 30946776)
No more GE paper receipts? - or something else they have improved from before?

still GE paper receipts but collected before you enter baggage claim. No more paper customs forms for US citizens who don’t have GE but of course they have to wait in line for an agent.

TWA884 Jul 14, 2019 3:10 pm

From another thread:

Originally Posted by funkur (Post 31298010)
I contacted the Washington Post after they did a story on Mobile Passport and let the reporter know about the issue at Dulles. She reached out to MWAA and received the following response:

Dulles Airport did have automated passport control kiosks (APC) and up until recently, we had the Mobile Passport Control app (MPC) for U.S and Canadian citizens. We have removed these options at the request of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). They have chosen to implement a newer technology using 100% biometric entry at Dulles International Airport, which means that all travelers will have their likeness compared to passport photos on record during the admissions process. We were informed that it would be significantly quicker to process travelers using biometric entry than Mobile Passport Control, which reduces wait times for all travelers.

We have not fully seen that result and have asked CBP to allow Mobile Passport as an option again. Recently, we were notified they will bring back Mobile Passport (MPC); however, we haven't been provided a date yet for re-implementation. MPC will surely speed up the arrivals process for all U.S. and Canadian Citizens; and improve the flow of our visitors queue as well.

We greatly appreciate all feedback from our customers and we look forward to the opportunity to welcome you to a much better experience on your next visit.


Airport Operations/Passenger Services Division
Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority


Boraxo Jul 14, 2019 3:47 pm

Note that even without the form you can still be flagged when exiting customs - I got asked a few question after collecting luggage, I think because I had my daughter's bag (she exited early with Mrs. B) on the cart which maybe looked strange. But he waived us through when I told him we only had cookies and candy. I'll take a few random questions over the idiotic x-ray any day.

Blissfulpri Jul 29, 2019 8:15 am

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Originally Posted by Boraxo (Post 31303301)
Note that even without the form you can still be flagged when exiting customs - I got asked a few question after collecting luggage, I think because I had my daughter's bag (she exited early with Mrs. B) on the cart which maybe looked strange. But he waived us through when I told him we only had cookies and candy. I'll take a few random questions over the idiotic x-ray any day.


it happened to me also in ATL. On my way out from baggage claim, I was selected for a “ random “ survey. The officer was very pleasant. Followed him to side belts, opened my bigger suitcase that had some store bought coffee and chocolates. He briefly browsed through it, asked a couple of questions like address and zip code , then asked me to close the bag and exit. He was very polite the whole time. When you’re going to get taxed or fine on items, they let you know on the spot, right?

freeagent Jul 30, 2019 12:04 pm

So am I right in assuming you no longer have to declare items purchased abroad then? I feel like CBP always made it a big deal to declare items being brought in. If I’m bringing more then my exemption allows how would the average person know how or where to declare those items? Or is CBP just not focused on collecting duty anymore?

Boraxo Jul 30, 2019 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by freeagent (Post 31359668)
So am I right in assuming you no longer have to declare items purchased abroad then? I feel like CBP always made it a big deal to declare items being brought in. If I’m bringing more then my exemption allows how would the average person know how or where to declare those items? Or is CBP just not focused on collecting duty anymore?

Why would you assume that? The kiosk and/or immigration officer will still ask questions about what you bought.. just no forms.

freeagent Jul 30, 2019 1:52 pm


Originally Posted by Boraxo (Post 31359828)
Why would you assume that? The kiosk and/or immigration officer will still ask questions about what you bought.. just no forms.

I get that you are still declaring items through GE or kiosks, but not having been up to an immigration booth for years, it sounds like it is now up to the immigration officer to record the items you’re declaring. It’s welcome to see CBP focus their efforts on targeting items which are possibly disruptive or harmful to the population.

drewguy Jul 31, 2019 8:35 am


Originally Posted by freeagent (Post 31360076)

I get that you are still declaring items through GE or kiosks, but not having been up to an immigration booth for years, it sounds like it is now up to the immigration officer to record the items you’re declaring. It’s welcome to see CBP focus their efforts on targeting items which are possibly disruptive or harmful to the population.

It may have been determined it was more efficient simply to ask and make an assessment based on the oral answer than trying to read the scribbles on a form, and then following-up. Law enforcement often assesses the demeanor of a person giving an oral answer to determine whether follow-up is worthwhile.

AdamPD Jan 22, 2020 9:36 am

I spent Christmas in Florida last year (2019) and normally CBP forms are handed out during the flight, but they weren't, but I always use the downloadable form and fill it out on my computer beforehand anyways
When I got to the security/border bit in Tampa, the CBP guy said no he didn't want the form, which surprised me, but I'm glad, as it did cut down the time to get through security/border protection.


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