How can PAX be persuaded not to take their luggage in an emergency evac?
Following pictures of BA passengers with their hand luggage after the emergency evacuation of their aircraft in LAS, which itself follows the same thing happening earlier this year on a TK accident in IST
http://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2015...x9_600x338.jpg How can PAX be education not to stop and take their hang luggage, clogging up the aisles and being a hazard one the emergency sides? http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34191035 |
Originally Posted by Worcester
(Post 25403620)
How can PAX be education not to stop and take their hang luggage, clogging up the aisles and being a hazard one the emergency sides?
There may be items in the bags that the pax needs (passport, money, meds, etc) and they will just grab it. In many cases, it would take longer for them to stop, think, override their instinct and not pick up something then it would be for them to just collect it. |
From the all day Road Warrior training I had at the last (2010) Delta ATLDO on Delta's campus, when we were in the cabin simulator and they introduced "smoke" we popped the emergency doors as the FAs were constantly yelling "LEAVE EVERYTHING, COME THIS WAY" (pointing at the doors with emergency slides deployed).
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One thing that would help would be the confidence that we will either get our stuff back or proper compensation. As it stands now I would expect neither. (The bags likely would come back minus the valuable stuff in them.)
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Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
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One thing that would help would be the confidence that we will either get our stuff back or proper compensation. As it stands now I would expect neither. (The bags likely would come back minus the valuable stuff in them.)
Unfortunately, pictures like the one shown above only reaffirm the intuition people have that they should bring their stuff with them. Most pax on the photo have all of their belongings and are on their way: you can literally see a girl with walking away from the scene with her suitcase and two bags while she's talking on the phone! Morally speaking, the pax who left everything behind did the right thing, but they are the "losers" in the situation: at best they will have to wait for a few hours while their luggage is being secured, at worst they will lose their valuables, incur a lot of extra costs and have their expensive trip ruined. (If you think about it, it's not unlike the famous prisoner's dilemma.) |
Rhone: Welcome to Flyertalk!
And I agree with you especially when it comes to meds. I have a backup supply of my husband's meds in my purse so I'll be taking that with me. No problem leaving our carryons in the overhead if I can keep my purse (which is under the seat in front of me.) |
Originally Posted by Worcester
(Post 25403620)
How can PAX be persuaded not to take their luggage in an emergency evac?
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As people are noting here, you can't - it's human nature.
But you can poke fun at it as a colleague of mine at FBT did in our weekly (and satirical) Lobby Bar feature, to wit: ...Put on a life vest and smile for the camera. First-class passengers on a British Airlines jet that caught fire on the runway in Las Vegas were the first to benefit from a new service from the airline: an additional flight attendant was stationed at the first-class door to assist each passenger with a selfie before going down the slide to ensure that passengers taking selfies didn’t slow the evacuation... <SNIP> |
in a life and death situation, and only in a life and death situation - physically. including but not limited to violence, and threats of violence.
OP photo not best example? for example the hudson water landing would be better example. |
Locking bins seems unlikely - it adds complexity and mass to the plane, as well as something that can (and will) break, usually in the most inconvenient way: trying to do a fast turn, luggage bins locked on their own and now you have one plane full of angry pax who won't get off without their bags, and another plane load waiting to board and angry that their flight is delayed. And it has to be engaged at evac time and actually work then, and it still doesn't deal with the bags under the seat.
In a lot of my experience, people will more likely do the right thing if you make it easier and more obvious how to do that, than to do the wrong thing (some will do the wrong thing no matter how hard you make it). If people are lining up to exit and you're in a window seat, it's easier to pull your bag out from under the seat than to get to the aisle. If you're halfway between exits and already standing up, but people are leaving one row at a time (like for deboarding), it's easier to pull your bag out of the overhead than to get to the exit. So how do you get people off the plane faster so there's less temptation to take bags with you? |
prosecute them for endangerment to life, and ban them for flying for a few years
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Inject fake smoke into the cabin and play simulated screams of people burning in agony over the PA.
Seriously though, the only way to make people evacuate as if it were a life or death situation is to make them think it is one. Otherwise it will be just like a fire drill in the office. |
Originally Posted by bioblot
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Seriously though, the only way to make people evacuate as if it were a life or death situation is to make them think it is one. Otherwise it will be just like a fire drill in the office.
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Originally Posted by bioblot
(Post 25418329)
Seriously though, the only way to make people evacuate as if it were a life or death situation is to make them think it is one. Otherwise it will be just like a fire drill in the office.
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Originally Posted by chrisl137
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You actually want people who are evacuating to do it just like a fire drill at the office-- it will go quickly, people will help each other and there will be minimal chaos. It's why you do drills. Panic causes things like everybody piling up against one emergency exit while 3 others are clear but unused.
The one thing that did happen was that there were a few people who left all their personal belongings at their desks. In my group of about 200 we had five or six that left their purses or wallets in locked desk drawers or in their jackets hanging in their cubicles. Of those two of three had a heck of a time getting home as they had no car keys, no money, no Metro passes, and no ID. Obviously different than a plane but one of the new instructions, at least initially after 9/11, was to make sure you took at least your basic belongings with you in case of evacuation. Of course that doesn't mean all the pictures of the family, awards and decorations hanging on the wall, etc. |
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