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I think this sums up what to do pretty well:
I think this sums up what to do pretty well:
- Airline checkin in the US for departure to EU
- Right now you can show either EU or US (but airline execs I know and have discussed this with suggest giving the airline your US passport).
- In the future, when ETIAS comes into force, show the EU passport to the airline because the EU will require that data to be sent ahead of the flight.
- re: the above two comments, it currently doesn't matter which you use from a US perspective. If you are a US citizen, departing the US on an EU passport you've not entered the US with is not going to cause any problems.
- Immigration on arrival in the EU
- Show the EU passport because you are a citizen and many/most countries require citizens to show their passports to enter.
- Airline checkin in the EU for departure to the US
- Show your US passport to the airline as the US requires you to enter on your US passport and APIS data sent ahead of the flight needs to contain your US data.
- Immigration departing the EU
- Show the EU passport that you entered the EU with. The fact that you gave a different passport to the airline will not cause any problem.
- At the gate for a flight departing to the US: You may be asked to verify your travel documents at the gate before departure and so only show your US passport in this case.
- Immigration arriving the US
- Show the US passport you showed to the airline.
Dual Citizen Traveling from/to the US, which Passport to show/use, where?
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Maybe, but there have been cases of people born in the US who have been denied boarding by airlines because they didn't present a US passport, so it's a matter of possibly never getting to the port of entry, even if the CBP would admit them anyway...
I remembered that thread because I recalled reading this article here:
That’s it, Uncle Sam
I remembered that thread because I recalled reading this article here:
That’s it, Uncle Sam
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Also, can you look up whether a person is a Canadian citizen just by name and DOB (maybe also gender)?
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Thanks for the clarification. However, in light of this I have a question - if you know that an arriving passenger with a foreign passport is a Canadian citizen, what would you do? Admit him/her as a foreign visitor or a Canadian citizen? For the latter, does it require a trip to the "back room"?
There are some helpful resources available, but they don't form a complete database of every citizen.
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Thanks for all the replies. It is still a little unclear to me whether or not there is an explicit law stating that a British citizen must enter the UK with the British passport. Since my HK passport states HK as my place of birth, I am interested to know what would happen if I were to be denied entry... would the immigration officer know I am a British citizen based on the information on his screen?
To yyzvoyageur: Have you seen a decrease in illegitimate passports since they became biometric? The designs on pages seem to have become a lot more intricate, and it would lead one to believe that copying them isn't as easy as it may have been say 10 years ago.
To yyzvoyageur: Have you seen a decrease in illegitimate passports since they became biometric? The designs on pages seem to have become a lot more intricate, and it would lead one to believe that copying them isn't as easy as it may have been say 10 years ago.
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Clear answer - you are 100% fine. People do this all the time - it is normal. No need to worry. If you cannot find a law then this will be because there isn't one.
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Quality is definitely improving. I understand even the likes of India and Israel—both home to some of the poorest quality passports at the moment—are going to start rolling out more secure documents in the near future. Where we used to see photo substitutions, we now see more imposters on unaltered documents that have been stolen from or sold by the legitimate bearers. That's not to say we don't still see photo substitutions. We do still see them, of course, along with stolen blanks, improperly issued (but genuine) documents, altered or counterfeit laminates, altered or counterfeit biodata pages, etc.
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There are also situations where the US has treated US citizens as if such persons were not US persons or to otherwise try to keep US citizens outside of the US.
Originally Posted by CX HK
The designs on pages seem to have become a lot more intricate, and it would lead one to believe that copying them isn't as easy as it may have been say 10 years ago.
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Quality is definitely improving. I understand even the likes of India and Israel—both home to some of the poorest quality passports at the moment—are going to start rolling out more secure documents in the near future. Where we used to see photo substitutions, we now see more imposters on unaltered documents that have been stolen from or sold by the legitimate bearers. That's not to say we don't still see photo substitutions. We do still see them, of course, along with stolen blanks, improperly issued (but genuine) documents, altered or counterfeit laminates, altered or counterfeit biodata pages, etc.
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I think I have not formulated my question properly. Let's suppose an arriving person presents you a foreign passport but you have strong suspicions that this person is a Canadian citizen. However, person does not claim to be one and wants to enter Canada on his foreign passport. What would you do?
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I think I have not formulated my question properly. Let's suppose an arriving person presents you a foreign passport but you have strong suspicions that this person is a Canadian citizen. However, person does not claim to be one and wants to enter Canada on his foreign passport. What would you do?
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I know two dual Dutch - US citizens (US because they were born in the USA) who do not have US passports. When they visit the US on their Dutch passports, about 50% of the entries the immigration officer spots the US place of birth and asks for their US passport. So far, on many, many entries to the US, their reply "I never bothered to get one" was always accepted and they tell me in many cases the officers are much more friendly and they are welcomed "home" (even if they have lived only the first few years of their lifes in the US). So in practice not having a US passport does not seem to be a problem.
Quality is definitely improving. I understand even the likes of India and Israel—both home to some of the poorest quality passports at the moment—are going to start rolling out more secure documents in the near future. Where we used to see photo substitutions, we now see more imposters on unaltered documents that have been stolen from or sold by the legitimate bearers. That's not to say we don't still see photo substitutions. We do still see them, of course, along with stolen blanks, improperly issued (but genuine) documents, altered or counterfeit laminates, altered or counterfeit biodata pages, etc.
But a Canadian citizen could legally enter as a visitor?
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Anyone who had stood in the non-EU citizen line at Heathrow when they could go through the EU line needs to have their head examined or has way, way, way (did I say 'way') too much time on their hands. The only possible exception I could see would be if there was a reason you would not want your destination country to see your UK passport, (e.g. the UK one has Israeli stamps in it and you are going to Saudi Arabia).
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Anyone who had stood in the non-EU citizen line at Heathrow when they could go through the EU line needs to have their head examined or has way, way, way (did I say 'way') too much time on their hands. The only possible exception I could see would be if there was a reason you would not want your destination country to see your UK passport, (e.g. the UK one has Israeli stamps in it and you are going to Saudi Arabia).
The advice I have always heard is to make sure the airline is aware of both of your passports as passenger data is subject to pre-clearance.
I have yet to use my new EU passport to enter the EU so I cant speak on personal experience as a dual citizen.
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I agree. Last time I flew into Toronto from Hong Kong, I got asked some dumb questions by the CBSA guy including whether my work related business visit to Hong Kong was 'fruitful'. As if the guy had a clue as to how to run any business let alone mine. And I am a dual Citizen, was presenting my Canadian Passport.