TSA threatens fines and imprisonment
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I would have loved to ask this question!
I wonder if TSA has some generalized federal violation listed in the USC such as "interfering with the duties of screening officers", like FAA has for airline crews. The government might be able to use it in a situation like this one, if it decided to prosecute.
I wonder if TSA has some generalized federal violation listed in the USC such as "interfering with the duties of screening officers", like FAA has for airline crews. The government might be able to use it in a situation like this one, if it decided to prosecute.
IOn the other hand, I highly doubt the government would prosecute, ESPECIALLY because the TSA frequently claims that it has nothing to do with HOW people arrive at the checkpoint; only what happens from the TDC onward. (Hence why the contractors who direct pax to the elite/premium vs. regular lines are working on behalf of the airlines or airport authority, not TSA.) Supposedly, once you arrive at the TDC, everyone is treated the same, except PreCheck of course.
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The wording does require an "assault" to take place, but whether that could include a verbal (only) assault I don't know. There have been rare prosecutions under this code so it would seem to pass the void for vagueness test.
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In fact there is which I cited earlier: 49 USC 46503 .
The wording does require an "assault" to take place, but whether that could include a verbal (only) assault I don't know. There have been rare prosecutions under this code so it would seem to pass the void for vagueness test.
The wording does require an "assault" to take place, but whether that could include a verbal (only) assault I don't know. There have been rare prosecutions under this code so it would seem to pass the void for vagueness test.
1) I think you'd need a physical assault to take place, otherwise it would be a rather vague law to prosecute on. There are already laws against physical assault on anyone; this may simply up the penalties for doing so to a specific group of people.
2) Any prosecution under this law has the potential to expose SSI as it's up for discovery as to what exactly the interference was with.
3) Copiously absent is the joke designation of "officer" for government "security" employees.
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On the cruises I have taken (2 years ago most recent), the security was done by the crews. They are looking mostly for weapons and beverages, mostly alcohol.
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I would have loved to ask this question!
I wonder if TSA has some generalized federal violation listed in the USC such as "interfering with the duties of screening officers", like FAA has for airline crews. The government might be able to use it in a situation like this one, if it decided to prosecute.
I wonder if TSA has some generalized federal violation listed in the USC such as "interfering with the duties of screening officers", like FAA has for airline crews. The government might be able to use it in a situation like this one, if it decided to prosecute.
This may seem ridiculous to us, but if some creative prosecutor wanted to come up with a way of charging OP with a crime, there are probably ways to do it.
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Disorderly conduct conviction for this situation? In most states, that would probably be a tough sell. In an empty "line" with no shouting by the passenger and no real conflict observable on a camera? Even tougher sell.
The "void for vagueness test" would be part of a moot case and thus probably not considered except were the section of federal law used to prosecute on a vague basis a person with the resources to challenge it.
Given the DOJ so infrequently uses the above section of federal law for prosecution and has so far "successfully" used it by mostly avoiding "vague" situations, it seems they do not.
"Verbal assault" using non-threatening language that is generally tolerated or even accepted in elementary schools? I doubt that there are many USA(A)s who want to become a professional laughing stock by picking losing battles.
In fact there is which I cited earlier: 49 USC 46503 .
The wording does require an "assault" to take place, but whether that could include a verbal (only) assault I don't know. There have been rare prosecutions under this code so it would seem to pass the void for vagueness test.
The wording does require an "assault" to take place, but whether that could include a verbal (only) assault I don't know. There have been rare prosecutions under this code so it would seem to pass the void for vagueness test.
Given the DOJ so infrequently uses the above section of federal law for prosecution and has so far "successfully" used it by mostly avoiding "vague" situations, it seems they do not.
"Verbal assault" using non-threatening language that is generally tolerated or even accepted in elementary schools? I doubt that there are many USA(A)s who want to become a professional laughing stock by picking losing battles.
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Or maybe it's just "disorderly conduct". I can see how OP's action would be seen as disorderly, and there is possibly a state/local law against disorderly conduct at an airport (or any public place).
This may seem ridiculous to us, but if some creative prosecutor wanted to come up with a way of charging OP with a crime, there are probably ways to do it.
This may seem ridiculous to us, but if some creative prosecutor wanted to come up with a way of charging OP with a crime, there are probably ways to do it.
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This by far the most common reason for arrest at an airport checkpoint once a LEO gets involved. It varies by airport; some PDs are fond of such nonsense arrests even though very few result in charges and even fewer in trials and convictions. Does happen though - several examples here in the TS&S forums.
These days they know that they can also inflict recurring punishment as an arrest or conviction can disqualify you from Global Entry and therefore also DQ you from Pre.