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lovely15 Sep 21, 2012 8:40 am


Originally Posted by Nodric (Post 19354347)
which also suggests we should carry papers in hand luggage as it avoids these searches

No it doesn't.

goalie Sep 21, 2012 10:25 am


Originally Posted by Nodric (Post 19353902)

Originally Posted by goalie (Post 19353752)
Bolding mine: The TSA has "this thing" for those funny sounding languages whose characters are full of curlycues and lots of "ch" sounding words" and are spoken by brown people :td:

Hmmm, strage as we are white, English, and were flying BA, so not wearing any form of national clothing, or face covering garb. Maybe my 19 year old Caucasian blond haired student daughter appeared to be a terror wrist (don't want my posts being flagged by DHS do we) :D

Maybe the paperwork appeared on xray to be a box of korans...

^ <giggle>

FlyingHoustonian Sep 21, 2012 2:16 pm


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 19353953)
Fact is that paper presents as an organic on our x-ray systems. Not usually a problem. Large stacks of paper present as dense organics, and several types of explosives do as well. Hence the reason for a more extensive look at your daughters bag.

Kiddie porn is rare, most folks flying and who enjoy that form of entertainment (disturbing as it may be, there are those out there that see it as such) know that it will cause no end of problems for them if discovered by the TSA. Regular porn is as common as grass, we see it all the time.

As a tsa clerk you ignored the main question (per normal)...Why would paper be confiscated? It is not a threat to aviation, period.

N965VJ Sep 21, 2012 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 19353953)
Fact is that paper presents as an organic on our x-ray systems. Not usually a problem. Large stacks of paper present as dense organics, and several types of explosives do as well. Hence the reason for a more extensive look at your daughters bag.

Except when TSA employees fancy themselves being a police detective, and start reading the documents they are looking at.

Or was this passenger carrying a really, really thick checkbook? :rolleyes:

lovely15 Sep 21, 2012 3:20 pm


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 19359985)
Except when TSA employees fancy themselves being a police detective, and start reading the documents they are looking at.

Or was this passenger carrying a really, really thick checkbook? :rolleyes:

From the article:
"The new TSA directive reads: "Screening may not be conducted to detect evidence of crimes unrelated to transportation security.""

:rolleyes: Right......

TheRoadie Sep 21, 2012 6:42 pm


Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel (Post 19355117)
TSA procedures seem more and more aimed at drugs rather than security.

Right on. Too few terrorists. Have to justify the price of the theater ticket some other way. If there was suddenly a shortage of drugs and guns and artfully-concealed knives, they'd have to start looking for DNA evidence of infidelity or a predisposition to genetic diseases or some other trumped-up rationalization.

ryandelmundo Sep 27, 2012 11:22 pm


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 19353953)
Fact is that paper presents as an organic on our x-ray systems. Not usually a problem.

Books are made of paper. Pretty soon we won't be allowed to carry books anymore.

Thanks to Ron for explaining the basis.

I guess I'd like to see everything defined in terms of security. Then it could be reviewed. The problem seems to be anyone can make up any reason for security. "Oh your credit cards are made of plastic, and so are explosives."

Unreasonable searches. This was the basis of the Second Amendment. Hopefully one of these days the Second Amendment catches up, but ten years on from 9/11 we aren't there yet.

TSORon Sep 28, 2012 6:28 pm


Originally Posted by lovely15 (Post 19360084)
From the article:
"The new TSA directive reads: "Screening may not be conducted to detect evidence of crimes unrelated to transportation security.""

:rolleyes: Right......

Care to provide a link to this "directive"?

TSORon Sep 28, 2012 6:31 pm


Originally Posted by ryandelmundo (Post 19398497)
Books are made of paper. Pretty soon we won't be allowed to carry books anymore.

Thanks to Ron for explaining the basis.

I guess I'd like to see everything defined in terms of security. Then it could be reviewed. The problem seems to be anyone can make up any reason for security. "Oh your credit cards are made of plastic, and so are explosives."

Unreasonable searches. This was the basis of the Second Amendment. Hopefully one of these days the Second Amendment catches up, but ten years on from 9/11 we aren't there yet.

You would actually have to be trained on our systems to understand the issues involved in identifying the different things a passenger may have in their bags. Books don't look like books on our x-ray systems, and a hair dryer... you just don't want to know, believe me.

Pesky Monkey Sep 28, 2012 7:51 pm


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 19404187)
You would actually have to be trained on our systems to understand the issues involved in identifying the different things a passenger may have in their bags. Books don't look like books on our x-ray systems, and a hair dryer... you just don't want to know, believe me.

Translation: our expensive machines are useless.

N965VJ Sep 28, 2012 10:31 pm


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 19404187)
You would actually have to be trained on our systems to understand the issues involved in identifying the different things a passenger may have in their bags.

He said he soon learned how to read the X-ray scans to find the most valuable items to steal.

"I could tell whether it was cameras or laptops or portable cameras or whatever kind of electronic was in the bag," Brown (convicted former TSA employee) said.

petaluma1 Sep 29, 2012 6:03 am


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 19404176)
Care to provide a link to this "directive"?

Directive issued 9.1.2007. Were you not paying attention?

chollie Sep 29, 2012 6:25 am

I'll bet he could even tell the difference between a hair dryer and ....whatever. Probably knew how to tell a laptop from an 'organic' pile of papers, too.

lovely15 Sep 29, 2012 6:45 am


Originally Posted by Pesky Monkey (Post 19404532)
Translation: our expensive machines are useless.

Nope, it's:
Translation: We are smarter than you who don't understand security.

Houston.Business Sep 29, 2012 8:57 am

You have to view this from TSA's side.
They are part of a group of people of which most have nothing to do. Even the lowest forms of life can remain idle for so long and then have to move. This requires they look busy in order to keep their job.

Trying to look busy results in;
Searching for items other than Aviation Threats.
Gate Searches.
Wandering the Concourses.
Running useless Drills, and Proceedures.
Secondary Screening.
and the list goes on & on.


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