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Originally Posted by sbrower
(Post 19213502)
Am I correct that it is still easy to use somone else's ticket for domestic travel? I am not posting the method here, but it seems to me that it would be really easy, unless I am missing something. (I am not talking about using any fake id.)
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The answer to this will depend on the country and the airline. Over here, British Airways doesn't require ID on domestics except to drop a bag.
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Originally Posted by sbrower
(Post 19213502)
Am I correct that it is still easy to use somone else's ticket for domestic travel? I am not posting the method here, but it seems to me that it would be really easy, unless I am missing something. (I am not talking about using any fake id.)
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Domestic USA travel: Some check points will scan the boarding pass.
Some times the TSA will compare the boarding pass to ID at the gate. There are obvious work arounds that do not require fake ID. Domestic Canada travel: the gate agent will compare the boarding pass to ID at the gate. |
Originally Posted by stifle
(Post 19240027)
The answer to this will depend on the country and the airline. Over here, British Airways doesn't require ID on domestics except to drop a bag.
There are still those and other domestic markets too where showing ID is not a general requirement. |
IME most domestic travel outside of North America doesn't require ID checks, so it would be comparatively easy to get away with this. In fact, if you use local versions of eBay you can find airline tickets for sale with titles such as "Male, mid 20s X-Y on DD-MM-YYY". The fact that many airlines are moving towards self-service check-in is making this easier, however some places are moving towards ID checks at the gate/security
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And some airlines, such as Aer Lingus, check ID at boarding nearly everywhere.
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Which airlines still have procedures in place that allow for reassignment of tickets to another person and allow for ticket name changes for such purpose? SAS was the last major airline alliance member where I have seen this done in the past ten years.
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EI, FR, and U2 all offer this.
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Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 19217860)
Point is that anybody who commits a 5-year federal felony over an air ticket, isn't thinking.
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 19239679)
... will get you arrested more than likely. There are 2 ID checks between the main airport doors and the aircraft, failing at either will get the local police called.
TSA lists these sorts of offenses on their *civil* fine schedule, which is a heck of a lot different from something being a felony. The most relevant entries in the fine schedule seem to be:
Originally Posted by TSA bureaucracy
D. Tampering or interfering with, compromising, modifying,
attempting to circumvent, or causing a person to tamper or interfere with, compromise, modify or attempt to circumvent any security system, measure, or procedure. Includes the artful concealment of prohibited items (except for those prohibited items covered by section III.A., above) $1,500-$6,000 E. Entering or being present within a secured area, AOA, SIDA, or sterile area without complying with the systems, measures, or procedures being applied to control access to, or presence or movement in, such areas $500-$3,000 F. Improper use of airport access medium $500-$3,000 G. Fraud and intentional falsification $2,500-$6,000 + Criminal Referral |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 19239679)
... will get you arrested more than likely. There are 2 ID checks between the main airport doors and the aircraft, failing at either will get the local police called.
And next time you're in the departure area of which ever airport you're "employed" at, look for those new-fangled things called kiosks. They do not request or require ID on check-in, and neither did my home computer when I printed my BP yesterday. So unless you're figuring gate ID checks as 100% of all departures, (and even then, they're ridiculously easy to circumvent) my math says 1 + 0 = 1 ID check, not 2. |
Well, lying to a Federal Agent can always get you Title 18 US Code Section 1001; ask Martha Stewart how that works.
Originally Posted by Wally Bird
(Post 19219102)
USC chapter and verse please, I suspect you're bending the statute a bit wrt OP's scenario.
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Originally Posted by JDiver
(Post 19268553)
Well, lying to a Federal Agent can always get you Title 18 US Code Section 1001; ask Martha Stewart how that works.
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Originally Posted by studentff
(Post 19249815)
But even for the 1% where TSA checks IDs at the gate, or even if a passenger presents false or misleading ID or BP to the TDC or gate TSO, what is the "crime?"
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Originally Posted by JDiver
(Post 19268553)
Well, lying to a Federal Agent can always get you Title 18 US Code Section 1001; ask Martha Stewart how that works.
It is a handy threat for the airport bullies to trot out; applicability is a different matter. |
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