Security Wonders at HKG
Apr 21, 2006, 8:18 pm
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Security Wonders at HKG
Just went through security here in HKG on my way to PVG via Dragonair.
Quick summary:
So why can't we get this accomplished in the US?
Also, the $!#$%) _astards snipped off my TSA approved lock on the way over. I just spent $15 for a lock that the TSA supposedly has a key for.
Do I have any recourse at all?
Quick summary:
- No "take off your shoes"
- No "remove your jacket"
- No full body scan
- No attitude problem
So why can't we get this accomplished in the US?
Also, the $!#$%) _astards snipped off my TSA approved lock on the way over. I just spent $15 for a lock that the TSA supposedly has a key for.
Do I have any recourse at all?
Apr 21, 2006, 10:55 pm
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If you were on an Aairbus narrowbody, I bet I saw you!
I was just arriving and walking to the transit security check when a Dragonair plane was heading out -- this was a couple of hours ago.
If anyone else is in the Pier, look for an FT tag on a roller -- that's me
Steve
I was just arriving and walking to the transit security check when a Dragonair plane was heading out -- this was a couple of hours ago.
If anyone else is in the Pier, look for an FT tag on a roller -- that's me
Steve
Apr 22, 2006, 10:20 am
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Originally Posted by RPRocket
Just went through security here in HKG on my way to PVG via Dragonair.
Quick summary:
So why can't we get this accomplished in the US?
Also, the $!#$%) _astards snipped off my TSA approved lock on the way over. I just spent $15 for a lock that the TSA supposedly has a key for.
Do I have any recourse at all?
Quick summary:
- No "take off your shoes"
- No "remove your jacket"
- No full body scan
- No attitude problem
So why can't we get this accomplished in the US?
Also, the $!#$%) _astards snipped off my TSA approved lock on the way over. I just spent $15 for a lock that the TSA supposedly has a key for.
Do I have any recourse at all?
Uh, maybe because Hong Kong a) isn't a target of terrorists - unless I slept through it they haven't had any large commercial planes crashed into their skyscrapers; b) they have a very anal immigration policy - they don't have a bunch of idiots living there who are up to no good; c) (and probably most importantly) they don't have Liberals demanding that everyone gets treated the same. In other countries they 'profile' - you obviously don't fit the profile.
Sorry to hear about the lock. You should be able to get compensation. But my guess is, unless you don't value your free time very much, it will cost more than $15 to accomplish it.
Apr 22, 2006, 6:10 pm
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Originally Posted by RPRocket
Just went through security here in HKG on my way to PVG via Dragonair.
Quick summary:
So why can't we get this accomplished in the US?
Quick summary:
- No "take off your shoes"
- No "remove your jacket"
- No full body scan
- No attitude problem
So why can't we get this accomplished in the US?
wonder whether the security measures actually achieve anything though.
Apr 23, 2006, 1:20 am
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Originally Posted by West Coast Ace
Not to turn this political but...
Uh, maybe because Hong Kong a) isn't a target of terrorists - unless I slept through it they haven't had any large commercial planes crashed into their skyscrapers; b) they have a very anal immigration policy - they don't have a bunch of idiots living there who are up to no good; c) (and probably most importantly) they don't have Liberals demanding that everyone gets treated the same. In other countries they 'profile' - you obviously don't fit the profile.
Sorry to hear about the lock. You should be able to get compensation. But my guess is, unless you don't value your free time very much, it will cost more than $15 to accomplish it.
Uh, maybe because Hong Kong a) isn't a target of terrorists - unless I slept through it they haven't had any large commercial planes crashed into their skyscrapers; b) they have a very anal immigration policy - they don't have a bunch of idiots living there who are up to no good; c) (and probably most importantly) they don't have Liberals demanding that everyone gets treated the same. In other countries they 'profile' - you obviously don't fit the profile.
Sorry to hear about the lock. You should be able to get compensation. But my guess is, unless you don't value your free time very much, it will cost more than $15 to accomplish it.
However, given that we ARE the target of terrorists, our so-called security measures do nothing at all to stop them. In fact, they give most flying dolts the faulty perception that they are somehow safer.
One can make an argument that air travel has become THE shining example of liberal and government failure. Every single measure failed on 9/11 until some heroes on UA 93 rose up and defied everything (including the terrorists).
I'd prefer we do some real profiling and let the rest of us keep our shoes on and our laptops in tow
Wow - that was a side rant!
Apr 23, 2006, 8:55 pm
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Okay, I know we're not supposed to be political...
but
dangit....cannot resist...
It's like bank robberies. Tellers, etc., are told "just give them the money and get them out of the bank."
If bank robbers started killing people on the way out...well, you get the picture.
Steve
but
dangit....cannot resist...
It's like bank robberies. Tellers, etc., are told "just give them the money and get them out of the bank."
If bank robbers started killing people on the way out...well, you get the picture.
Steve
Apr 23, 2006, 10:21 pm
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This sort of security treatment not only exists in HK but elsewhere in asia as well. Places like SIN, BKK, KUL to name a few airports that are pleasant to travel from.
This thread, however has nothing to do with Cathay Pacific or Asiamiles so I'd have to move it to Travel Safety/Security.
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This thread, however has nothing to do with Cathay Pacific or Asiamiles so I'd have to move it to Travel Safety/Security.
Guy Betsy
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Apr 23, 2006, 10:32 pm
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Originally Posted by West Coast Ace
c) (and probably most importantly) they don't have Liberals demanding that everyone gets treated the same. In other countries they 'profile' - you obviously don't fit the profile.
Just my $.02
Apr 23, 2006, 10:45 pm
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Originally Posted by RPRocket
Amen on your comments.
I'd prefer we do some real profiling and let the rest of us keep our shoes on and our laptops in tow
Wow - that was a side rant!
I'd prefer we do some real profiling and let the rest of us keep our shoes on and our laptops in tow
Wow - that was a side rant!
Apr 23, 2006, 11:56 pm
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Originally Posted by PatrickHenry1775
You folks talking about profiling are not regular posters in the Travel Safety/Security forum. Just wait until certain people read the remarks in favor of profiling - this thread will get interesting.
Here we go again:
Originally Posted by RPRocket
Amen on your comments. I'd be the first to agree with your points.
However, given that we ARE the target of terrorists, our so-called security measures do nothing at all to stop them. In fact, they give most flying dolts the faulty perception that they are somehow safer.
One can make an argument that air travel has become THE shining example of liberal and government failure. Every single measure failed on 9/11 until some heroes on UA 93 rose up and defied everything (including the terrorists).
I'd prefer we do some real profiling and let the rest of us keep our shoes on and our laptops in tow
Wow - that was a side rant!
However, given that we ARE the target of terrorists, our so-called security measures do nothing at all to stop them. In fact, they give most flying dolts the faulty perception that they are somehow safer.
One can make an argument that air travel has become THE shining example of liberal and government failure. Every single measure failed on 9/11 until some heroes on UA 93 rose up and defied everything (including the terrorists).
I'd prefer we do some real profiling and let the rest of us keep our shoes on and our laptops in tow
Wow - that was a side rant!
I've had this discussion before:
Here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...7&postcount=16
Last edited by GUWonder; Apr 24, 2006 at 12:04 am
Apr 24, 2006, 12:40 am
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Originally Posted by fs2k2isfun
Thank you for saying this. While profiling certainly won't stop all terrorists, it is very likely to stop the ones who yell, "Allahu Akbar!".
Just my $.02
Just my $.02
Originally Posted by GUWonder
Wrong. Or can you tell a Chinese muslim from a Chinese atheist or Chinese buddhist just by looking at their faces? Can you tell a Filipino muslim apart from a Filipino christian in the same way? A Lebanese maronite christian from a Lebanese shia by looking at their faces? A Yemeni jew from a Yemeni muslim? A Persian zoroastrian from a Persian muslim? An Argentine muslim from an Argentine catholic? A Bosnian or Albanian muslim from a Croatian catholic? Can you tell a Chechen muslim from a Georgian christian? Can you tell an Indian Bengali hindu from a Bangladeshi muslim? Can you tell an Afghan mona-sikh from a Baluchi muslim? Can you tell a Senegalese muslim from a Senegalese christian? Can you tell a Ladakhi shia from a Tibetan follower of the Dalai Lama?
I doubt most here can -- especially when even regional intelligence experts cannot do so by looking at a face.
I doubt most here can -- especially when even regional intelligence experts cannot do so by looking at a face.
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