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goodeats21 Jan 14, 2012 9:42 am


Originally Posted by Materdei (Post 17810377)
Really?!?

In what way is a FA sleeping any more of a danger than you and I sleeping, seriously?

Do they crank the landing gear down? Do they hold the doors shut?

Curious???


Originally Posted by mduell (Post 17812614)
Manage an evacuation.

Observe passengers to ensure no one gets up in contravention of the seat belt sign.

Are we really making excuses for a Flight Attendant sleeping when they are supposed to be "on duty". This is not an FA on a long-haul taking a nap break. I thought they were here for our safety?

The level of diminishing customer expectation is shocking....just wow.

aluminumdriver Jan 14, 2012 1:05 pm

The FA definitely should not be sleeping in the jumpseat, especially during takeoffs and landings. What I suggest if you see this happening in the future is you politely mention this to the FA privately that you felt it was unprofessional and potentially unsafe for them to be sleeping while working.

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BearX220 Jan 14, 2012 1:12 pm


Originally Posted by mduell (Post 17812614)
Manage an evacuation.

If there's a need for one, wake the FA.

I agree sleeping is regrettable and unprofessional but some of these regional FAs are worked to the point of exhaustion, and for very little money too. I wouldn't do anything that would result in a firing. Let he who has never closed his / her eyes for a few minutes during the workday cast the first stone.

coachrowsey Jan 14, 2012 1:19 pm


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 17813634)
If there's a need for one, wake the FA.

I agree sleeping is regrettable and unprofessional but some of these regional FAs are worked to the point of exhaustion, and for very little money too. I wouldn't do anything that would result in a firing. Let he who has never closed his / her eyes for a few minutes during the workday cast the first stone.

^^

mduell Jan 14, 2012 1:50 pm


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 17813634)
I agree sleeping is regrettable and unprofessional but some of these regional FAs are worked to the point of exhaustion

If they're unable to maintain the work schedule they're welcome to pursue a different job that better matches their sleep schedule. A sleeping safety professional is a useless safety professional.


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 17813634)
I wouldn't do anything that would result in a firing. Let he who has never closed his / her eyes for a few minutes during the workday cast the first stone.

How many of us are safety professionals? They mean it when they say "we're primarily here for your safety." If they did something that would result in a firing, they should be fired.

Are you OK with pilots sleeping through autolandings?

mre5765 Jan 14, 2012 2:06 pm

In before the move to TS&S, where I suspect there will be an evisceration.


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 17813634)
If there's a need for one, wake the FA.

I agree sleeping is regrettable and unprofessional but some of these regional FAs are worked to the point of exhaustion, and for very little money too. I wouldn't do anything that would result in a firing. Let he who has never closed his / her eyes for a few minutes during the workday cast the first stone.


Originally Posted by coachrowsey (Post 17813660)
^^

:td::td::td:

Wake the FA? And waste precious moments? Seriously? :rolleyes:

justforfun Jan 14, 2012 2:13 pm

I agree. Let this poor FA sleep. Being an FA is the hardest job in the world, according to many here on FT. We can get our own drinks, we can subdue any terrorists, and in an evacuation the emergency row pax have already been debriefed as to what to do. Come to think of it, why doesn't the FA get a good night's sleep in their own bed. We've got it covered.

mre5765 Jan 14, 2012 2:45 pm


Originally Posted by justforfun (Post 17813903)
I agree. Let this poor FA sleep. Being an FA is the hardest job in the world, according to many here on FT. We can get our own drinks, we can subdue any terrorists, and in an vacuation the emergency row pax have already been debriefed as to what to do. Come to think of it, why doesn't the FA get a good night's sleep in their own bed. We've got it covered.

After reading the above, I rescind my previous comment.
:D

BearX220 Jan 14, 2012 3:02 pm


Originally Posted by justforfun (Post 17813903)
Let this poor FA sleep. Being an FA is the hardest job in the world, according to many here on FT. We can get our own drinks, we can subdue any terrorists, and in an vacuation the emergency row pax have already been debriefed as to what to do. Come to think of it, why doesn't the FA get a good night's sleep in their own bed. We've got it covered.

There are no drinks, there are no terrorists, and if you knew a little more about the history of commercial aircraft evacuations you would be aware that FAs cannot be counted for leadership, awake, asleep or in between. You better "have it covered," because that line they spout about how we're here to save your a@@, not kiss it, is nonsense. I frankly don't care if my FA is asleep or not because I'm not so passive and demanding as to expect him/her to come to my seat and save me.

dcutcher Jan 14, 2012 3:18 pm

If it were I...
 
and I could determine there were no other FAs on board (if there were, I'd mention the sleeper to THAT employee) I'd manage to wake the sleeper, always without touching him/her.
And if an intercom call were going unanswered, I'd REALLY be playing Mr. Alarm-Clock!
My bet is there was an additional FA on board, otherwise, in this case, there were * NO* FAs on board, something the FAA would take rather dimly, I'd bet.:(

aluminumdriver Jan 14, 2012 5:24 pm


Originally Posted by mduell (Post 17813786)

Are you OK with pilots sleeping through autolandings?

Wait, are you saying you aren't okay with that??? :p

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justforfun Jan 14, 2012 8:23 pm


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 17814110)
There are no drinks, there are no terrorists, and if you knew a little more about the history of commercial aircraft evacuations you would be aware that FAs cannot be counted for leadership, awake, asleep or in between. You better "have it covered," because that line they spout about how we're here to save your a@@, not kiss it, is nonsense. I frankly don't care if my FA is asleep or not because I'm not so passive and demanding as to expect him/her to come to my seat and save me.

It's amazing that expecting a FA to be awake is now "demanding". Wow.

Baze Jan 14, 2012 8:32 pm

If the FA is actually working the flight, not dead heading, wake their lazy a$$ up. They are not getting paid to sleep. Only time it is acceptable is on long international flights where they are required to get rest time.

njcommodore Jan 14, 2012 8:33 pm


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 17813634)
. Let he who has never closed his / her eyes for a few minutes during the workday cast the first stone.

I've never slept at my job.

Sure, the FA will wake up if an evacuation is needed. But think about the first few minutes you wake up in the morning. Are you really in a condition to manage a crisis? This is a serious issue that needs to be reported. If the FA can't stay awake for an hour, then he needs to find another job.

qukslvr619 Jan 14, 2012 8:47 pm

All of the ERJs (145/135) have a second jumpseat. It's behind the last row squeezed in between the lav and seatback. Inflight the deadhead or jumpseater will usually move up to the main jumpseat in front to give pax access to the lav.


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