"SSSS" - Secondary Security Screening Selection
#136
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Yes, on both legs. Not a single security question at check-in, and obviously no special treatment at the check-point. Let's see if there is somebody waiting with lubricated latex gloves at the gate...
#137
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And indeed there was. Well, not lubricated, but I was paged at the gate and invited behind what looked like those screens they put around people in hospitals when they are dying.
#138
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Just had the same thing happen on my way home from Australia. Got pre-check on the US outbound, used SmartGate to get in to Australia.
No problems with Australian exit controls or security, but when I got to the gate, I was pulled aside (with about 5% of the other people on the flight, by my estimate) and I got an explosives swab and a very cursory patdown. Sure enough, I had an SSSS on the bottom corner of my BP that I hadn't noticed before I was pulled aside. I assume it was a random occurrence.
I was on an Australian carrier.
ETA: Looks like this thread also discusses the issue:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...ry-member.html
No problems with Australian exit controls or security, but when I got to the gate, I was pulled aside (with about 5% of the other people on the flight, by my estimate) and I got an explosives swab and a very cursory patdown. Sure enough, I had an SSSS on the bottom corner of my BP that I hadn't noticed before I was pulled aside. I assume it was a random occurrence.
I was on an Australian carrier.
ETA: Looks like this thread also discusses the issue:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...ry-member.html
Last edited by janetdoe; Jun 6, 2014 at 8:58 am
#139
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Just had the same thing happen on my way home from Australia. Got pre-check on the US outbound, used SmartGate to get in to Australia.
No problems with Australian exit controls or security, but when I got to the gate, I was pulled aside (with about 5% of the other people on the flight, by my estimate) and I got an explosives swab and a very cursory patdown. Sure enough, I had an SSSS on the bottom corner of my BP that I hadn't noticed before I was pulled aside. I assume it was a random occurrence.
I was on an Australian carrier.
ETA: Looks like this thread also discusses the issue:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...ry-member.html
No problems with Australian exit controls or security, but when I got to the gate, I was pulled aside (with about 5% of the other people on the flight, by my estimate) and I got an explosives swab and a very cursory patdown. Sure enough, I had an SSSS on the bottom corner of my BP that I hadn't noticed before I was pulled aside. I assume it was a random occurrence.
I was on an Australian carrier.
ETA: Looks like this thread also discusses the issue:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...ry-member.html
#142
Join Date: Jul 2013
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My wife got one yesterday at YYZ (inbound to DTW) and they put us in separate lines at security. She got through security before I did.
#143
Join Date: Nov 2010
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Procedure at Security Checkpoint with SSSS
When a passenger receives SSSS on a boarding pass, what is the procedure in the US? Can the passenger still opt-out of body scanners? If so, if the passenger was going to opt-out anyway, is the pat-down any worse than it would have been if the passenger was going to opt-out anyway?
My understanding was that one can always opt-out, but I wanted to verify this information.
My understanding was that one can always opt-out, but I wanted to verify this information.
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When a passenger receives SSSS on a boarding pass, what is the procedure in the US? Can the passenger still opt-out of body scanners? If so, if the passenger was going to opt-out anyway, is the pat-down any worse than it would have been if the passenger was going to opt-out anyway?
My understanding was that one can always opt-out, but I wanted to verify this information.
My understanding was that one can always opt-out, but I wanted to verify this information.
If a haraSSSSment target wants to throw the TSA into a flurry of confusion over its own procedures and policies being in conflict in practice -- which further exposes the TSA HQ's clownish foolishness -- then the haraSSSSment target should travel alone with an infant or toddler and do so without a stroller at the screening checkpoint.
Last edited by TWA884; Jul 26, 2019 at 9:39 am
#146
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According to the http://jetsettingterrorist.com/ he says he is not allowed to opt out with SSSS. I'll see if I can find the exact post.
Ah, here it is, a great summary for the OP:
http://jetsettingterrorist.com/about...led-terrorist/
Ah, here it is, a great summary for the OP:
http://jetsettingterrorist.com/about...led-terrorist/
Last edited by janetdoe; Oct 27, 2014 at 9:39 pm
#147
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Yes I' m a British born Muslim woman (never really worn a hijab thou) who was really harassed a few years back whilst heading off to Usa on holiday to EWR although on this occasion as I was working for the last few months in Brussels, Belgium I decided to fly out & back from there instead of from the UK - I'm always late for everything and on this occasion by exception I was determined to be early and take a relaxed trip thru the airport picking up some Leonidas chocolates too fron their airside branch mmmm! This all took place in 2006 well before any British Muslims being involved in any incidents at all. The staff at Brussels were not even Belgian or EU born that were screening me. I felt like I should be checking their immigration status at least!
I actually work in IT and do a few government contracts occasionally so hold a good clean record all round myself so was really shocked to find myself totally 'randomly selected' to which I was like yeh right well of course it is! But that was truly minor & all my luggage & I got screened and turned over completely - The worse part being that I wasn't allowed to rejoin passengers but escorted all the way to the gate & prevented from stopping to pick up chocolates even! My crime must have been truly extreme as on this occasion the 2 guys took me off to somewhere without any other passengers or staff around - then embarrassed me more going thru my neatly packed underwired smalls. A barrage of questions as to why I was in Brussels etc. - I had a flat there so told them I am English but I live there so that got them more confused as my French isn't great so they wondered why. I explained I am working there long term in an English speaking role hence the holiday - eventually one of the guys apologised lots & decided it was time to get me on board. Putting me all the way to the gate in person & refusing to allow me to stop to pick chocolates even - most set over this . But then I was not taken from the public route but the crew one instead which left me most bewildered of all. The other passengers stated at me some wondering of my crime as I did too before I resumed into my normal holiday flight.
Nowadays I'm back to being late for everything ... i have flown to Usa since & been checked a few more times but never like in Brussels again although I did complain that they were harassing me every time & it was getting too much before it seemed to stop some. I switched my preferred airline from United thou.. to British Airways!
I actually work in IT and do a few government contracts occasionally so hold a good clean record all round myself so was really shocked to find myself totally 'randomly selected' to which I was like yeh right well of course it is! But that was truly minor & all my luggage & I got screened and turned over completely - The worse part being that I wasn't allowed to rejoin passengers but escorted all the way to the gate & prevented from stopping to pick up chocolates even! My crime must have been truly extreme as on this occasion the 2 guys took me off to somewhere without any other passengers or staff around - then embarrassed me more going thru my neatly packed underwired smalls. A barrage of questions as to why I was in Brussels etc. - I had a flat there so told them I am English but I live there so that got them more confused as my French isn't great so they wondered why. I explained I am working there long term in an English speaking role hence the holiday - eventually one of the guys apologised lots & decided it was time to get me on board. Putting me all the way to the gate in person & refusing to allow me to stop to pick chocolates even - most set over this . But then I was not taken from the public route but the crew one instead which left me most bewildered of all. The other passengers stated at me some wondering of my crime as I did too before I resumed into my normal holiday flight.
Nowadays I'm back to being late for everything ... i have flown to Usa since & been checked a few more times but never like in Brussels again although I did complain that they were harassing me every time & it was getting too much before it seemed to stop some. I switched my preferred airline from United thou.. to British Airways!
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According to the Jetsetting Terrorist: TSA diaries of a convicted terrorist | Stories from TSA checkpoints, from a real convicted terrorist he says he is not allowed to opt out with SSSS. I'll see if I can find the exact post.
Ah, here it is, a great summary for the OP:
Who am I? | Jetsetting Terrorist: TSA diaries of a convicted terrorist
Ah, here it is, a great summary for the OP:
Who am I? | Jetsetting Terrorist: TSA diaries of a convicted terrorist
Last edited by TWA884; Jul 26, 2019 at 9:39 am
#149
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I have been told I could not opt out before in similar situations. Fortunately, SSSS is so infrequent for me anymore that it hasn't been an issue in a while. But screeners at three airports have told me I would go through the nude-o-scope or I wouldn't be flying that day.
Note that this is NOT supposed to be the way it works. But if you get a screener who takes that attitude, chances are you're stuck with it. Supes all-too-often back the screener regardless of whether or not they're correct, and getting a LEO involved is rarely going to work out well (and here, LEO will probably say he/she has no say over the way screening is conducted and may threaten to arrest you).
Note that this is NOT supposed to be the way it works. But if you get a screener who takes that attitude, chances are you're stuck with it. Supes all-too-often back the screener regardless of whether or not they're correct, and getting a LEO involved is rarely going to work out well (and here, LEO will probably say he/she has no say over the way screening is conducted and may threaten to arrest you).
#150
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I have been told I could not opt out before in similar situations. Fortunately, SSSS is so infrequent for me anymore that it hasn't been an issue in a while. But screeners at three airports have told me I would go through the nude-o-scope or I wouldn't be flying that day.
Note that this is NOT supposed to be the way it works. But if you get a screener who takes that attitude, chances are you're stuck with it. Supes all-too-often back the screener regardless of whether or not they're correct, and getting a LEO involved is rarely going to work out well (and here, LEO will probably say he/she has no say over the way screening is conducted and may threaten to arrest you).
Note that this is NOT supposed to be the way it works. But if you get a screener who takes that attitude, chances are you're stuck with it. Supes all-too-often back the screener regardless of whether or not they're correct, and getting a LEO involved is rarely going to work out well (and here, LEO will probably say he/she has no say over the way screening is conducted and may threaten to arrest you).