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Wally Bird Jul 27, 2011 2:29 pm


Originally Posted by cb1111 (Post 16806926)
I'm overlooking your ;) for a moment to get on a serious note.

I was only half joking.

There is no denying there are some (NB. some) bullies manning TSA checkpoints. Bullies tend to pick out weak victims, so if by your bearing you project that you are not weak nor submissive they may cool it. Why are so many old people, women and children getting the frisk treatment; apparently moreso than males ?

A lot of what goes on at checkpoints is little more than a battle of wills (p*ssing match). Preemption may be an effective countermeasure. Or not.

bajajoes Jul 27, 2011 2:35 pm

IF You Refuse To Say Your Name....
 
:rolleyes: tsa: Say your name please.
me: No.
tsa: Do you want to fly today?
Me:Yes.
tsa:Then say your name.
Me:No
tsa:Then you can't fly.
Me:I want a Supervisor to explain this policy.
tsa: I'll call one.
Supervisor: Why won't you say your name?
Me: I don't believe its required. If it is show me the policy.
Supervisor: I don't have to show you anything.
Me:Are you denying me my flight?
Supervisor: Yes
*** NOW WHAT? Other than not flying, are you arrested or escorted from the terminal? Do you have any legal recourse?:mad:

cb1111 Jul 27, 2011 2:38 pm


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 16809150)
I was only half joking.

There is no denying there are some (NB. some) bullies manning TSA checkpoints. Bullies tend to pick out weak victims, so if by your bearing you project that you are not weak nor submissive they may cool it. Why are so many old people, women and children getting the frisk treatment; apparently moreso than males ?

A lot of what goes on at checkpoints is little more than a battle of wills (p*ssing match). Preemption may be an effective countermeasure. Or not.

Absolutely agree. I don't think that there are more elderly, women, disabled or children being frisked - I just think that their stories resonate more in the news.

I'm not sure that Fox5 would care if I complained to them that a screener touched my junk during a pat-down, but little kids are in the same category as cute puppies - and hence make the news.

bajajoes Jul 27, 2011 2:47 pm

Another Approach To Say Your Name.
 
:rolleyes: tsa: Say your name.
Me: Let me read it from my id.
tsa: Yes or No?
IF Yes, read it.
IF No, use another id and read it. Or read it off your hand!
JERK THEIR CHAIN!
NOW WHAT? Do you get denied?:mad:

spd476 Jul 27, 2011 2:59 pm


Originally Posted by bajajoes (Post 16809287)
:rolleyes: tsa: Say your name.
Me: Let me read it from my id.
tsa: Yes or No?
IF Yes, read it.
IF No, use another id and read it. Or read it off your hand!
JERK THEIR CHAIN!
NOW WHAT? Do you get denied?:mad:

I'm thinking about grabbing a credit card out of my wallet and reading off of it. Actually I'll probably be caught off guard and go "What?...Huh?...why are you asking?"

Is this just because that guy managed to slip through security twice with the boarding passes that weren't his and weren't even for the correct day?

Wally Bird Jul 27, 2011 3:07 pm


Originally Posted by spd476 (Post 16809408)
Is this just because that guy managed to slip through security twice with the boarding passes that weren't his and weren't even for the correct day?

That's my take, as I posted before.

The "terrorist would hesitate" canard would be laughable if there weren't some of our experts[sic] who seem to believe it :rolleyes: . I don't blame the TDCs who believe it, after all they are neither trained nor inclined to question the wisdom.

Well actually I do blame the TDCs simply for being TDCs.

bajajoes Jul 27, 2011 3:41 pm

Name saying Is On Par With The 3 ???
 
:eek: It's sad that someone in charge does not realize that this name saying is exactly on par with: Did you pack your own bag? And the other 2 questions that used to be asked before someone with an above double digit iq realized
how stupid it was. Thank goodness that was changed!:p

SATTSO Jul 27, 2011 4:32 pm


Originally Posted by spd476 (Post 16808352)
Is there a purpose to pronouncing your name? If that trips up a potential terrorist, I don't have much faith that they would complete their mission as planned anyway.

What happened to the HHMD? I never see it used anymore. My home airport is small and does not have the scanners yet. I almost always set off the WTMD, but I rarely set it off elsewhere. That instantly leads to a full body patdown. I used to get the HHMD treatment, but haven't for a long while. I preferred that to the patdown.

Is it to trip up potential terrorist? No.


HHMD are no longer a primary method to screen passengers. They are still there, and can be used in certain circumstances, but its now more rare to see them being used.

What size airport is your home airport? It may take a very long time to be equipped with an AIT. One reason the first round of airports were chosen for the AIT was because of the size of the checkpoints - the AITs could fit. Some airports underwent construction to accept the AIT: TSA did not pay for this construction, the airport did, or whoever owns the airport (yes, some organization other than TSA paid to have those various airports remodeled to accept the AIT).

SATTSO Jul 27, 2011 4:35 pm


Originally Posted by studentff (Post 16808773)
And what is TSA's response to a passenger who refuses to go along with this unpublished, unstated policy and pronounce their name? Seriously. I may find myself in this situation soon and would like to know.

Will it be like the ID thing--if you "willfully refuse" to pronounce your name, no flight, but if TSA (subjectively) decides you are unable to pronounce it, you get to fly?

Since when are Americans required to answer interrogations from government agents to go about their business? Policy or not, this one will be interesting when tested in court.

No, you will not be required to pronounce your name. You may be asked, but not required. Yes, you may run into stubborn TSOs who get the STSO if you refuse to answer, but you will be allowed through the checkpoint. The purpose of the procedure is not to have you say your name.

jkhuggins Jul 27, 2011 4:44 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16810158)
The purpose of the procedure is not to have you say your name.

Ok, I'll bite ... what, then, is the purpose of the procedure?

docmonkey Jul 27, 2011 4:46 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16810158)
No, you will not be required to pronounce your name. You may be asked, but not required. Yes, you may run into stubborn TSOs who get the STSO if you refuse to answer, but you will be allowed through the checkpoint. The purpose of the procedure is not to have you say your name.

That sounds reasonably. Does what you are saying apply only to the airport where you work or to other airports too?

chollie Jul 27, 2011 4:49 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16810158)
No, you will not be required to pronounce your name. You may be asked, but not required. Yes, you may run into stubborn TSOs who get the STSO if you refuse to answer, but you will be allowed through the checkpoint. The purpose of the procedure is not to have you say your name.

If an STSO got involved, would pax ID be logged and a report submitted?

(edited to add: never mind, if you don't do it at your airport, then you wouldn't know what the consequences might be for appearing to not cooperate. I say 'appearing', because a short-tempered TDC might not make allowances for hearing impairments or language difficulties, and one would hate to see a pax with a black mark on their record over something like this).

SATTSO Jul 27, 2011 4:49 pm


Originally Posted by docmonkey (Post 16810216)
That sounds reasonably. Does what you are saying apply only to the airport where you work or to other airports too?

We do not do the "say you name" at my airport, so it does not apply to my airport at all.

jkhuggins Jul 27, 2011 4:51 pm


Originally Posted by cb1111 (Post 16809214)
Absolutely agree. I don't think that there are more elderly, women, disabled or children being frisked - I just think that their stories resonate more in the news.

I'm not sure that Fox5 would care if I complained to them that a screener touched my junk during a pat-down, but little kids are in the same category as cute puppies - and hence make the news.

Of course, there's a reason that such stories resonate.


Originally Posted by Pope John Paul II
A society will be judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members.


SFOSpiff Jul 27, 2011 5:12 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16810134)
Is it to trip up potential terrorist? No.


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16810158)
The purpose of the procedure is not to have you say your name.

As jkhuggins asked, please tell us then what the purpose of the question is. You have no problem responding quickly to tell people they're wrong, or to say you've already answered a question and won't answer it again. This question has never been answered satisfactorily. So it would help if you did it now.

Incidentally, I find it interesting that you can't reveal what's in SSI, but have no trouble revealing what's not in it.


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