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Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 16791241)
I'll tell you what I think is happening, though I doubt some of you will like this answer.
Some time ago the "shoe" policy was amended so that shoes could not be in bins, could only be on the belt. For various reasons, this itself was amended to allow shoes on the belt or in a bin, if nothing covered or obstructed the shoes in the bin. But the policy also emphasized the preferred method was to have the shoes on the belt. When you encounter a TSO who tells you you can have your shoes in a bin, or has you put your shoes in a bin, in my experiences, they do so because they know most passengers prefer that. Believe it or not, they are trying to be helpful. TSA fail. |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 16791241)
I'll tell you what I think is happening, though I doubt some of you will like this answer.
Some time ago the "shoe" policy was amended so that shoes could not be in bins, could only be on the belt. For various reasons, this itself was amended to allow shoes on the belt or in a bin, if nothing covered or obstructed the shoes in the bin. But the policy also emphasized the preferred method was to have the shoes on the belt. When you encounter a TSO who tells you you can have your shoes in a bin, or has you put your shoes in a bin, in my experiences, they do so because they know most passengers prefer that. Believe it or not, they are trying to be helpful. Then, the TSOs are only involved if they have to point out the sign or answer a question. I absolutely do not understand why the TSA is so completely inept in solving these kinds of communications issues. |
Originally Posted by PhoenixRev
(Post 16791362)
Or, as I have stated over and over and over again, simply post a sign at the beginning of the moving belt that says: "Shoes in the bin or shoes on the moving belt. Your choice!"
Then, the TSOs are only involved if they have to point out the sign or answer a question. I absolutely do not understand why the TSA is so completely inept in solving these kinds of communications issues. But the sign you ask for would have to be much more detailed. I have actually talked directly to passengers, told them "You can have your shoes in a bin, with nothing inside the shoes, nothing underneath, nothing on top." And the passenger then proceeds to put their cell phone, coins, keys, etc., into their shoes. I happens like this ALL the time. Doesn't upset me, but it slows things down. TSA is not the only one inept on communication issues. Long way of me saying, I don't think a sign would work for most people (some it would help), as there are too many signs, and people do whatever they want anyways. |
Originally Posted by AUS2008
(Post 16791353)
Because the shoes we wear to the airport need greater scrutiny than the shoes in our carry on bag, which are run through with other clothes, toiletries, small electronics, etc, on top of them in the carryon bag? :confused::rolleyes:
TSA fail. |
Originally Posted by MaximumSisu
(Post 16782034)
Quote from TSA website:
Shoes: Please remove shoes before entering the screening technology and put them directly on the belt to go through the X-ray machine instead of in a bin with other items. It is safe, easy, and gives officers a better look. Link to TSA page showing shoes in bin: http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...ing/index.shtm Typical TSA. "You are required to remove your shoes before you enter the walk-through metal detector. All types of footwear must be placed on the X-ray machine to be screened. If you do not comply with Security Officers, you will not be allowed to board your flight." --> ON the X-ray machine? yeah, that will be effective |
Originally Posted by jpmcdonough
(Post 16782083)
On my most recent trip, DFW TSA said shoes on belt, SAN TSA said shoes in bin. (OK, fine. :td:)
And I have never gotten away with leaving the freedom bag in my carry-on. The people who do must not travel through the airports I do. |
Originally Posted by AUS2008
(Post 16791353)
Because the shoes we wear to the airport need greater scrutiny than the shoes in our carry on bag, which are run through with other clothes, toiletries, small electronics, etc, on top of them in the carryon bag? :confused::rolleyes:
TSA fail. |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 16791241)
I'll tell you what I think is happening, though I doubt some of you will like this answer.
Some time ago the "shoe" policy was amended so that shoes could not be in bins, could only be on the belt. For various reasons, this itself was amended to allow shoes on the belt or in a bin, if nothing covered or obstructed the shoes in the bin. But the policy also emphasized the preferred method was to have the shoes on the belt. When you encounter a TSO who tells you you can have your shoes in a bin, or has you put your shoes in a bin, in my experiences, they do so because they know most passengers prefer that. Believe it or not, they are trying to be helpful. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa. {{wipes tear from her eye}} Oh thanks, SATTSO. I needed that laugh to start my Monday morning! |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 16791405)
I agree with signs, but as has been pointed out by psychologist, when there are too many signs, there become a blindness to signs. Already, with the signs we have post, people do not read them. Even when the signs are right in front of their face.
But the sign you ask for would have to be much more detailed. I have actually talked directly to passengers, told them "You can have your shoes in a bin, with nothing inside the shoes, nothing underneath, nothing on top." And the passenger then proceeds to put their cell phone, coins, keys, etc., into their shoes. I happens like this ALL the time. Doesn't upset me, but it slows things down. TSA is not the only one inept on communication issues. Long way of me saying, I don't think a sign would work for most people (some it would help), as there are too many signs, and people do whatever they want anyways. |
Originally Posted by AUS2008
(Post 16791353)
Because the shoes we wear to the airport need greater scrutiny than the shoes in our carry on bag, which are run through with other clothes, toiletries, small electronics, etc, on top of them in the carryon bag? :confused::rolleyes:
TSA fail. |
Originally Posted by AlanInDC
(Post 16791811)
I guess nobody considered the possibility that a traveller could go to a restroom post-security and change shoes. Wow that would be one smart terrorist.
~~ Irish |
Originally Posted by MaximumSisu
(Post 16782034)
Quote from TSA website:
Shoes: Please remove shoes before entering the screening technology and put them directly on the belt to go through the X-ray machine instead of in a bin with other items. It is safe, easy, and gives officers a better look. Link to TSA page showing shoes in bin: http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...ing/index.shtm Typical TSA.
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 16791241)
I'll tell you what I think is happening, though I doubt some of you will like this answer.
Some time ago the "shoe" policy was amended so that shoes could not be in bins, could only be on the belt. For various reasons, this itself was amended to allow shoes on the belt or in a bin, if nothing covered or obstructed the shoes in the bin. But the policy also emphasized the preferred method was to have the shoes on the belt. When you encounter a TSO who tells you you can have your shoes in a bin, or has you put your shoes in a bin, in my experiences, they do so because they know most passengers prefer that. Believe it or not, they are trying to be helpful. |
Originally Posted by PhoenixRev
(Post 16791362)
I absolutely do not understand why the TSA is so completely inept in solving these kinds of communications issues.
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Originally Posted by bajajoes
(Post 16779544)
:) I have a neighbor friend who travels on business and told me he's got so disgusted with SJC that he gets a NR ticket for his wife to go to the airport when he leaves soley so he can depart without being upset at the start of his trip. He goes thru security with out even shoes, just plasic disposable booties sold on Amazon that he discards. His wife goes thru security before him with everything he needs to carry on and then they meet in the boarding lounge. She then says goodbye and wishes him a safe trip.
Originally Posted by AlanInDC
(Post 16791801)
--> from the URL above:
"You are required to remove your shoes before you enter the walk-through metal detector. All types of footwear must be placed on the X-ray machine to be screened. If you do not comply with Security Officers, you will not be allowed to board your flight." --> ON the X-ray machine? yeah, that will be effective |
Originally Posted by AlanInDC
(Post 16791811)
I guess nobody considered the possibility that a traveller could go to a restroom post-security and change shoes. Wow that would be one smart terrorist.
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