Denver, Medicines, and TSA - part II
Jul 22, 2011, 8:29 pm
#61
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Silly us, we forgot it's innate human instinct to immediately wear your shoe-bombs after you finish making them. It would never occur to a terrorist to pack them.
Jul 24, 2011, 5:17 pm
#62
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THEY
DON'T
CARE!
Whatever he/she says will happen to correct this issue, won't correct the issue. They may put a post it note on the front of the refrigerator in the break room, send a memo via email to the employees, or place a giant electronic billboard at each cp flashing the correct procedures. Nothing will change as long as the TSA, from top to bottom, is not held to the same standards as the rest of America, and with swift, pointed repercussions for not doing so. Arrest some of them for the assaults they take place in, take them to court for denying and interfering with citizens rights, firing them for any and all of the above, starting with Pistole and Napolitano.
DON'T
CARE!
Whatever he/she says will happen to correct this issue, won't correct the issue. They may put a post it note on the front of the refrigerator in the break room, send a memo via email to the employees, or place a giant electronic billboard at each cp flashing the correct procedures. Nothing will change as long as the TSA, from top to bottom, is not held to the same standards as the rest of America, and with swift, pointed repercussions for not doing so. Arrest some of them for the assaults they take place in, take them to court for denying and interfering with citizens rights, firing them for any and all of the above, starting with Pistole and Napolitano.
Jul 24, 2011, 6:54 pm
#63
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One other possible mode of counterattack for us passengers would be a Bivens lawsuit. I have had several IPA beverages and am consequently too lazy to search for the cite. But this U.S. Supreme Court opinion from the 1960s refused to dismiss a lawsuit seeking to hold government actors personally liable for civil rights violations. Good luck trying to collect on a judgment following a favorable verdict, but one could make life hell for rogue TSA clerks, such as these in OP's case and many we meet on a routine basis.
Jul 24, 2011, 10:21 pm
#64
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Sadly the only way this BS with medication will end is somebody will have to die because the TSA refused to allow them on board. Even then I doubt changes will be made since it'll be deemed a "Tragic, isolated incident" and the screener will be "retrained in proper procedures."
Jul 25, 2011, 5:52 am
#65
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One other possible mode of counterattack for us passengers would be a Bivens lawsuit. I have had several IPA beverages and am consequently too lazy to search for the cite. But this U.S. Supreme Court opinion from the 1960s refused to dismiss a lawsuit seeking to hold government actors personally liable for civil rights violations. Good luck trying to collect on a judgment following a favorable verdict, but one could make life hell for rogue TSA clerks, such as these in OP's case and many we meet on a routine basis.
Jul 25, 2011, 6:45 am
#66
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I have stopped carrying prescription medication in its bottle. I don't take much of it, most of the time none at all, but if it goes, it goes into a generic Advil bottle. There are hundreds of formulations of generic Advil and the prescription medication looks like at least one of them. I don't want to make my medication attractive to thieves.
Jul 25, 2011, 7:26 am
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Because they can, of course, tell the difference between real Aquaphora, generic Aquaphora and a nefarious item made to appear as though it is Aquaphora...AND they can tell the difference between a real doctor's note and a fake doctor's note.
I have stopped carrying prescription medication in its bottle. I don't take much of it, most of the time none at all, but if it goes, it goes into a generic Advil bottle. There are hundreds of formulations of generic Advil and the prescription medication looks like at least one of them. I don't want to make my medication attractive to thieves.
I have stopped carrying prescription medication in its bottle. I don't take much of it, most of the time none at all, but if it goes, it goes into a generic Advil bottle. There are hundreds of formulations of generic Advil and the prescription medication looks like at least one of them. I don't want to make my medication attractive to thieves.
Jul 25, 2011, 8:40 am
#68
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I am particularly disturbed by their "need" to handle your medications and open them to remove contents and inspect them. Even if above the permitted size, the doctor's leter should have totally sufficed to get you on to your flight with little/no delay. All of this is just posturing and bullying.
Jul 25, 2011, 8:44 am
#69
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I disagree. A doctor's letter is so easy to fake that it should have no effect whatsoever. There needs to be a proper way to screen medications whether prescribed by a doctor or not. Why should it matter whether a doctor was involved?
Jul 25, 2011, 10:12 am
#71
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(Obviously here, we're talking about medications that are large enough to require screening, and yes, we all understand the LGA issues ...)
Jul 25, 2011, 4:03 pm
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Jul 25, 2011, 5:38 pm
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Well, you did make a scene and embarrassed someone. And you did let them take your ID, phone number and boarding pass, which means they could add you to a list.
You won't know for sure until next time, but SSSS does still happen (very, very rarely).
If you have been added to a list, file for redress. They may well have added you to the secret list solely out of retaliation to harass you. They know, at the minimum, even if you file redress and get taken off the list that they've cost you time and caused you hassle. Just because they can.
Jul 25, 2011, 6:30 pm
#75
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Well, you did make a scene and embarrassed someone. And you did let them take your ID, phone number and boarding pass, which means they could add you to a list.
You won't know for sure until next time, but SSSS does still happen (very, very rarely).
If you have been added to a list, file for redress. They may well have added you to the secret list solely out of retaliation to harass you. They know, at the minimum, even if you file redress and get taken off the list that they've cost you time and caused you hassle. Just because they can.
You won't know for sure until next time, but SSSS does still happen (very, very rarely).
If you have been added to a list, file for redress. They may well have added you to the secret list solely out of retaliation to harass you. They know, at the minimum, even if you file redress and get taken off the list that they've cost you time and caused you hassle. Just because they can.