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New Micro-Airline that will "fly just below the TSA’s radar"

New Micro-Airline that will "fly just below the TSA’s radar"

Old Jun 29, 11, 8:17 am
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New Micro-Airline that will "fly just below the TSA’s radar"

http://blogs.forbes.com/edzitron/2011/06/29/planered/

PlaneRed is an all-you-can-eat flight subscription launching around September 1st 2011 that will fly just below the TSA’s radar – using 9-person planes to dodge under their screening of any plane carrying over 10 passengers. The subscriptions will work as such – passengers will pay around $150 a month for access to a booking system much like a city bus, able to book on popular routes on the east coast, serving Atlantic City, New York, Philadelphia, Washington D.C.. They hope to expand quickly to Boston, and then open up new runs in Texas, California, and the Midwest. Eyerly sees it as a ‘win-win’ for customers – 14-passenger planes organized in a luxury set-up to make the journey just a little bit more pleasant.
As long as they keep the prices reasonable and the TSA doesn't have an instant change of heart, hire 100k more TSOs, and screen every flight with any passengers, this may actually have a chance. ^

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Old Jun 29, 11, 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by redii View Post
http://blogs.forbes.com/edzitron/2011/06/29/planered/



As long as they keep the prices reasonable and the TSA doesn't have an instant change of heart, hire 100k more TSOs, and screen every flight with any passengers, this may actually have a chance. ^

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I can already hear Pistole Pistoleing and moaning about this. Or something like that.
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Old Jun 29, 11, 11:52 am
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Would be curious to know what kind of planes they will be flying.....
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Old Jun 29, 11, 12:22 pm
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TSA screening does apply to 9 passenger aircraft if the passengers have to enter a sterile area upon landing. Every time I've flown into Logan on Cape Air,
I've been screened.
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Old Jun 29, 11, 12:27 pm
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TSA screening does apply to 9 passenger aircraft if the passengers have to enter a sterile area upon landing. Every time I've flown into Logan on Cape Air,
I've been screened.
However as one person proved, it is possible to not be screened if all you want to do is leave the airport.
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Old Jun 29, 11, 12:34 pm
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However as one person proved, it is possible to not be screened if all you want to do is leave the airport.
True, I've flown routes that required no screening. They also did not require a entering a sterile area.
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Old Jun 29, 11, 12:45 pm
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TSA screening does apply to 9 passenger aircraft if the passengers have to enter a sterile area upon landing. Every time I've flown into Logan on Cape Air,
I've been screened.
At one time DFW had 4-5 gates at one end of one of the terminals with no security for small passenger planes. I went through there on the way to Ft. Smith one time.
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Old Jun 29, 11, 12:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer View Post
At one time DFW had 4-5 gates at one end of one of the terminals with no security for small passenger planes. I went through there on the way to Ft. Smith one time.
Our airport commercial terminal building has one screened gate, one un-screened gate, and next door GA, where a different outlook prevails.
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Old Jun 29, 11, 1:14 pm
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ANC has a separate terminal for their commercial non-secure puddle jumper flights.
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Old Jun 29, 11, 1:36 pm
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Originally Posted by IslandBased View Post
True, I've flown routes that required no screening. They also did not require a entering a sterile area.
I've heard at least one story about someone being escorted through a sterile area because he refused to be screened as he had no desire to enter the sterile area, only to exit the airport.

Screening is for people who want to enter the so-called sterile area (which is in no way sterile), not for people who have no intention or desire at all to enter the sterile area.

If you can use that when coming in off an international flight, clearing customs and only wanting to leave the airport, why not on one of these 9-seaters?
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Old Jun 29, 11, 1:52 pm
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They won't be able to fly into DCA unless their planes are under 12,500 lbs, correct?

I'm guessing that NYC-PHL-ACY will be their initial route. I'm not going to assume that the TSA will approve an airline to operate through DCA with the intention of usurping their authority and waving it in their face.
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Old Jun 29, 11, 1:55 pm
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TSA screening does apply to 9 passenger aircraft if the passengers have to enter a sterile area upon landing. Every time I've flown into Logan on Cape Air,
I've been screened.
Since there 22,000 public/private airports in this country why would this FAR 135 operation choose to operate in the sterile area of 490 airports? In fact there are 5200 public use airports alone, why bother with ANY of the 490 airports that have a TSA mandated sterile area?
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Old Jun 29, 11, 2:15 pm
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Since there 22,000 public/private airports in this country why would this FAR 135 operation choose to operate in the sterile area of 490 airports? In fact there are 5200 public use airports alone, why bother with ANY of the 490 airports that have a TSA mandated sterile area?
Because they have to go where (lots of) passengers want to go? And that's mostly into downtown metro areas. There are public use airports that might be viable: BED is a good substitute for BOS, especially if your destination is in the N or W suburbs. But I think NYC is harder - it's hard to think of ISP as viable for NYC, for example.

Or maybe they want to be Ryanair sending you to small, cheap airports 100 km from the place they claim to be flying to.
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Old Jun 29, 11, 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by elektronic View Post
They won't be able to fly into DCA unless their planes are under 12,500 lbs, correct?
Even if they're under 12.5 they'll still have big hurdles and screening at DCA. For that reason, I'd think the choice would be another airport in the area - such as Manassas (which has a terminal building), Leesburg, Gaithersburg, Frederick, Stafford (needs a terminal, may prompt the construction of same), and maybe IAD or BWI. Leesburg and Gaithersburg are convenient to higher income/business areas, Manassas is ready-to-go, and Stafford would beat the (traffic-ridden) drive to the airport.
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Old Jun 29, 11, 2:28 pm
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Because they have to go where (lots of) passengers want to go? And that's mostly into downtown metro areas. There are public use airports that might be viable: BED is a good substitute for BOS, especially if your destination is in the N or W suburbs. But I think NYC is harder - it's hard to think of ISP as viable for NYC, for example.

Or maybe they want to be Ryanair sending you to small, cheap airports 100 km from the place they claim to be flying to.
FRG, HPN will do fine for New York City. For Boston I use Beverly (BVY), and for Philadelphia there are many other airports. Oh and I almost forgot, it takes me about 30 minutes to park the car and be on the runway accelerating to Vr. More or less how much is the recommended time now days prior to departure at these models of airport efficiency where the TSA manages the sterile area?
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