Toddler Pat-down at YYC
Jun 16, 2011, 7:47 pm
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Toddler Pat-down at YYC
CATSA this time. Too bad they're following TSA directives so well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPUaF18_XBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPUaF18_XBQ
Jun 16, 2011, 10:04 pm
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I don't see how such a light, swift, half-hearted patdown could have possibly found anything. That screener was just putting on the appearance of doing the patdown, probably knowing how distasteful his job was. On one hand, I'm glad to see screeners phoning it in on these ridiculous procedures, but on the other hand, it makes the whole thing even more creepy. These folks are tasked with running their hands all over childrens' bodies just so they could say they did.
Jun 17, 2011, 6:44 am
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At least mom was allowed to touch and comfort the child while the "pat down" was being done. This was nothing more than a "going through the motions" excercise, which I am going to hope was a good decision on the part of the screener.
I couldn't understand the dialog. Did I hear that the photographing of the event was not allowed?
I couldn't understand the dialog. Did I hear that the photographing of the event was not allowed?
Jun 17, 2011, 7:15 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
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Jun 17, 2011, 1:08 pm
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Correct. Even though there is no actual law disallowing it, CATSA formally forbids camera use at the checkpoints.
And it can't be challenged because unlike the USA, use of a camera in Canada isn't constitutionally protected.
And it can't be challenged because unlike the USA, use of a camera in Canada isn't constitutionally protected.
Jun 17, 2011, 2:04 pm
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OK, then why are we viewing the video? Why wasn't the camera confiscated by CATSA?
Jun 17, 2011, 4:12 pm
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Jun 17, 2011, 10:07 pm
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Though I do suppose, if they wanted to, they could get an LEO over and s/he would take the camera away or ensure the person deleted the video.
Jun 18, 2011, 11:36 am
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A police officer would not get involved as it isn't a criminal matter (barring any "disturbing the peace" or interfering with the screening process" allegations). They should be even less inclined to seize and tamper with personal property.
Jun 18, 2011, 5:22 pm
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If you are allowed on private property, and you don’t know if photography is allowed (no signs, owner hasn’t told you), assume photography is allowed until told otherwise.
Once you are informed by the owner, you must stop taking photos. The owner has no rights to any photos taken before being told. They are your personal property. You do not have to delete, surrender, or even show them.
Once you are informed by the owner, you must stop taking photos. The owner has no rights to any photos taken before being told. They are your personal property. You do not have to delete, surrender, or even show them.
Jun 18, 2011, 5:30 pm
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Source. This is based on Canadian law. Police cannot force an individual to erase photographs, nor can they confiscate them, without a valid warrant.
This brings up a big question for me, though. I thought you couldn't opt-out in Canada - only choose between MMW and backscatter if selected. Did that change?
Another dilemma for me too. While I certainly won't welcome the thought of air travel in the U.S. for now, I had been thinking of driving up to Windsor or Toronto for getting off this continent. Now I'm not sure it's worth it.
Jun 18, 2011, 6:07 pm
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For the most part, Canadian airports have only implemented MMV technology. I was selected last December at YOW and was given the option of going through the machine or receiving a pat-down (including a brief cursory wanding). In no way was I pressured to choose one over the other and all individuals were professional and courteous.
Jun 18, 2011, 7:24 pm
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For the most part, Canadian airports have only implemented MMV technology. I was selected last December at YOW and was given the option of going through the machine or receiving a pat-down (including a brief cursory wanding). In no way was I pressured to choose one over the other and all individuals were professional and courteous.
There are no known Chertoffimizer Cancer Boxes in Canada and I think they are outlawed (citation needed).
And yes, no problem opting out. No barking, no "OPT-OPT OPT-OUT MALE ASSIST !!!!!!". A reasonable patdown and you're outa there.