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VegasCableGuy May 31, 2011 9:42 am

New TSA hostile intent detection program in use
 
Our Minority Report style future continues to become reality as TSA fascination with mind reading programs produces more operational field trials.

The science journal "Nature" has learned that the DHS "Future Attribute Screening Technology" (FAST program) has been deployed for several months at an undisclosed Northeast location. It uses cameras, thermal and other sensors joined with a computer system to analyze a persons eye movements, gaze, heartbeat and skin temperature to predict if that person has malicious intent on their mind. Presumably, if the computer and its operators decided you had hostile thoughts or otherwise were thinking about committing a crime you would be flagged for additional screening and a BDO interview, refused entry or turned over to law enforcement.

DHS has produced a 6 minute technical overview video (this one is several years old) that's been posted online. It gets interesting at about the 3:15 mark. I've known about FAST for a while now but never thought they'd actually deploy it. Has anyone seen new or unusual equipment at BOS?

red456 May 31, 2011 9:58 am


Originally Posted by VegasCableGuy (Post 16478370)
Our Minority Report style future continues to become reality as TSA fascination with mind reading programs produces more operational field trials.

The science journal "Nature" has learned that the DHS "Future Attribute Screening Technology" (FAST program) has been deployed for several months at an undisclosed Northeast location. It uses cameras, thermal and other sensors joined with a computer system to analyze a persons eye movements, gaze, heartbeat and skin temperature to predict if that person has malicious intent on their mind. Presumably, if the computer and its operators decided you had hostile thoughts or otherwise were thinking about committing a crime you would be flagged for additional screening and a BDO interview, refused entry or turned over to law enforcement.

DHS has produced a 6 minute technical overview video (this one is several years old) that's been posted online. It gets interesting at about the 3:15 mark. I've known about FAST for a while now but never thought they'd actually deploy it. Has anyone seen new or unusual equipment at BOS?

According to the article, not BOS but


"I can tell you that it is not an airport, but it is a large venue that is a suitable substitute for an operational setting," says Verrico.
Sadly, no matter what the testing outcomes, you just know that DHS is going to find a way to install this in airports. And if it works, it's going to trap a lot of innocent people whose heart rates are up at the thought of having to go through a TSA checkpoint:


Some scientists question whether there really are unique signatures for 'malintent' — the agency's term for the intention to cause harm — that can be differentiated from the normal anxieties of travel. "Even having an iris scan or fingerprint read at immigration is enough to raise the heart rate of most legitimate travellers," says Ormerod.
Also from the article:


Steven Aftergood, a senior research analyst at the Federation of American Scientists, a think-tank based in Washington DC that promotes the use of science in policy-making, is pessimistic about the FAST tests. He thinks that they will produce a large proportion of false positives, frequently tagging innocent people as potential terrorists and making the system unworkable in a busy airport. "I believe that the premise of this approach — that there is an identifiable physiological signature uniquely associated with malicious intent — is mistaken. To my knowledge, it has not been demonstrated," he says. "Without it, the whole thing seems like a charade."
Just like all of TSA security screening is a charade.

VegasCableGuy May 31, 2011 10:02 am


Originally Posted by red456 (Post 16478463)
According to the article, not BOS

I'd noticed they said they were using a "large venue" that wasn't an airport for the first phase (likely a subway or stadium or other high traffic area) but the article seemed to imply they were completing that part of the trial. Logically, BOS would be part of that trial at some point so I'd assume it's going to show up there sooner or later.

bigbird12 May 31, 2011 10:10 am

This is just great.

I just got back from my "weekend sojourn" flying around the Northeast. I have major fear of flying issues, and you can be rest assured that my "eye movements" and my "heart palpitations" were off the charts when I found out that I would be boarding a tiny Dash 8 turboprop. Luckily, the flight went okay, but now I am going to have to worry about being branded a terrorist by the TSA? I have been working hard on my fear of flying issues with a therapist, but now I might as well go back to trying to booze it up instead. I'd rather take the risk of being removed from the flight for being a drunk than being a terrorist!

mikeef May 31, 2011 10:14 am

"DHS also reported that the new machine predicted the housing bubble, beat that Jennings guy on Jeopardy and makes a really strong cup of coffee."

Mike

VegasCableGuy May 31, 2011 10:14 am


Originally Posted by bigbird12 (Post 16478517)
This is just great.

I just got back from my "weekend sojourn" flying around the Northeast. I have major fear of flying issues, and you could rest assured that my "eye movements" and my "heart palpitations" were off the charts when I found out that I would be boarding a tiny Dash 8 turboprop. Luckily, the flight went okay, but now I am going to have to worry about being watched and branded a terrorist by the TSA?

Until it's confirmed at BOS or LAS (where TSA says they do technology testing) I wouldn't think it's at any other airport. But the first thing I thought about is all the people running to catch a flight - sweating, eyes darting around looking for a shorter line with a panicked look on their face - yeah, the computer is going to blow a fuse.

Wollstonecraft May 31, 2011 10:16 am

Frankly, this seems pretty dumb and yet another waste of taxpayer money on some gee-whiz gizmo instead of actual investments in law enforcement. The very first comment on the Nature article indicates exactly what someone with real malintent would do when facing this system (other than the obvious, just walk away.) i.e. How would the system detect someone taking beta-blockers? (which suppress the heart rate and physical symptoms of nervousness - commonly taken by classical musicians before an audition and many others)

Whoops.

IslandBased May 31, 2011 10:21 am

They should probably test it in the House of Representatives. :D

VegasCableGuy May 31, 2011 10:30 am


Originally Posted by Wollstonecraft (Post 16478549)
Frankly, this seems pretty dumb and yet another waste of taxpayer money on some gee-whiz gizmo instead of actual investments in law enforcement. The very first comment on the Nature article indicates exactly what someone with real malintent would do when facing this system (other than the obvious, just walk away.) i.e. How would the system detect someone taking beta-blockers? (which suppress the heart rate and physical symptoms of nervousness - commonly taken by classical musicians before an audition and many others)

Whoops.

Honestly, I think this program would be quite worthless in detecting someone that has already made peace with their god and/or themselves and is walking towards their death. Psychopaths express no feelings of guilt or fear and are quite happy to harm others without a second thought.

red456 May 31, 2011 10:34 am


Originally Posted by VegasCableGuy (Post 16478613)
Honestly, I think this program would be quite worthless in detecting someone that has already made peace with their god and/or themselves and is walking towards their death. Psychopaths express no feelings of guilt or fear and are quite happy to harm others without a second thought.

Which is one reason why the BDO program is worthless.

bzbdewd May 31, 2011 10:37 am


Originally Posted by Wollstonecraft (Post 16478549)
Frankly, this seems pretty dumb and yet another waste of taxpayer money on some gee-whiz gizmo instead of actual investments in law enforcement.

I wonder who's company owns the patent for THIS crap? :rolleyes:

Wollstonecraft May 31, 2011 10:39 am


Originally Posted by VegasCableGuy (Post 16478613)
Honestly, I think this program would be quite worthless in detecting someone that has already made peace with their god and/or themselves and is walking towards their death. Psychopaths express no feelings of guilt or fear and are quite happy to harm others without a second thought.

Or mentally disabled people, who have been unknowingly used as suicide bombers to spectacular effect.

Seriously, given how tense people are at the airport anyway, it seems particularly stupid to deploy it there. I am guessing the the number of false positives will quickly overwhelm any utility from such a device.

Boggie Dog May 31, 2011 10:40 am

There is already adequate evidence that the TSA BDO program is nothing more than a massive boondoggle.

This adds nothing except more wasted taxpayers money to TSA efforts.

IslandBased May 31, 2011 10:49 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 16478675)
There is already adequate evidence that the TSA BDO program is nothing more than a massive boondoggle.

This adds nothing except more wasted taxpayers money to TSA efforts.

This is FAST, the improved boondoggle. It probably comes with a bigger, shinier badge, naturally enhanced morale, and an equipment belt with custom tool holders.:p

halls120 May 31, 2011 10:52 am


Originally Posted by Wollstonecraft (Post 16478549)
Frankly, this seems pretty dumb and yet another waste of taxpayer money on some gee-whiz gizmo instead of actual investments in law enforcement. The very first comment on the Nature article indicates exactly what someone with real malintent would do when facing this system (other than the obvious, just walk away.) i.e. How would the system detect someone taking beta-blockers? (which suppress the heart rate and physical symptoms of nervousness - commonly taken by classical musicians before an audition and many others)

Whoops.

This is what we get for Congress exercising almost no oversight over a Department and Agency that has proven to be incapable of respecting (or even understanding) the Constitution, and who has a demonstrated aptitude for wasting the public's money in its ill-fated quest for 100% security.


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