I loved pulling that in New York. In Texas, we're required to present both ID and concealed handgun license if an LEO requires our ID. Of course the ASSs aren't LEOs, but it's habit. So I'd hand over both, with the card with "CONCEALED HANDGUN LICENSE" in big red block letters on top. Without fail, their eyes would get wide and they'd start acting nervous...

Go further and search on wallet carnival. :)

Yup its always interesting to see the look of pure fear in there face, and how there ability to speak is all fubar'd. Then there is the obligatory question of where is my weapon or am I carrying at that time. My response depends on there attitude and my mood.

I have had A.S.S.es try and go through my wallet a couple of times, but when i tell them going outside of there SOP is going to cause all sorts of trouble and I need to see there State issued ID NOW! (not that worthless "SIDA" or TSA POS) as having been a victim of Identity theft I want to all the details on a individual who has looked at my personal data. That stops that PDQ as they know im not bluffing

A Texas Concealed Handgun License is a state issued ID and if I were you I would only show the TDC this, not your drivers license.

The TSA website clearly states.

"Drivers Licenses or other state photo identity cards issued by Department of Motor Vehicles (or equivalent)."

The state agency issuing the CHL definitely would fall under the “equivalent” portion of the TSA requirements.

And if they fail to accept your CHL, then file a complaint against the TDC and all the supervisors who the TDC will call because of the confusion, for failure to abide by their own rules.

Mr. Elliott

How do you know they're going outside of SOP?

And what's the justification for the TSA to look through someone's wallet, anyway?

Undoubtedly true, and I am sure that if the TSA lawyers fail in their motion for dismissal, they would rather settle out of court to prevent precedent being set.

But if someone decides to refuse the settlement and continues the lawsuit, it would be interesting how far the TSA will go, especially if the plaintiff has a really good lawyer who knows how to work the system and force the TSA to either keep upping the settlement, or is successful in forcing the TSA to at least show the judge their SOP so the judge can rule on the case.

It only takes one successful case in court to start the ball rolling in reining in the TSA.

Mr. Elliott

Because they can do whatever they want to do, this is what they will tell you.

Mr. Elliott

It can still be subjected to an administrative search, and is not "mail" in the sense that it can only be opened by the sender, recipient, Postal Inspector, etc. The same holds true when transiting Customs.



:cool:^ My money clip goes into a locked compartment on the outside of my rollaboard before I even get to the TDCer. Honestly, I wish more FFs would quit futzing around with keys, change, cell phones, etc at the checkpoint.

Truly? Say the envelope is properly address and stamped?

If so, geeze. Why bother spending money, time and sweat going to school to be a lawyer, doctor, LEO, judge, scientist, postmaster, inspector, etc. just join TSa and in 40 hrs, be able to do whatever the heck you want. No consequences, all you have to say to justify any action is "SOP, SSI." No law or constitution will apply.

It is officially mail only when in the possession of the USPS and after you get it out of your mailbox before you open it. Before it is mailed, it is just an envelope with stuff in it. If you mail it to yourself, they can only examine it if you open it. They can only force you to open it with a warrant. (My understanding of the law only as IANAL.)

They can still deny you access to the sterile area.

I've never experienced my wallet rifled through.. but we've had the diaper bag searched.

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:cool: Thanks for the info "Ink".
I will address to myself and then get it hand cancelled at the PO before flying.

Really don't know if that will do what you think it will. Will they be able to force you to open it? No. Can they then not allow you to fly? Yes. Right or wrong (I think most agree on that answer), the reality is what it is at the moment.

Based on what we've heard from people claiming to be TSA employees, they can deny you access to the sterile area for any reason they can come up with.

After all - they don't have to justify their decision to anyone - and if asked, they'll just claim that it's "SSI."

This is what happens when you give idiots the idea that they actually have power.

The problem is they do. Arguably not legal nor Constitutional but they can still make you miss your flight and otherwise ruin your day :( .