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thegreathabibi Apr 17, 2011 7:41 pm

Security Failure at Ben Gurion
 
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...ficer-1.356521

Handgun and all the trimmings in a luggage that went on the belly of the plane. Now this is technically a security breach and illegal if its not reported to the airline in the united states but in reality poses no threat to the actual flight.

Thoughts?

SWCPHX Apr 17, 2011 7:53 pm

What I see is a waste of taxpayer money in "send[ing] a delegation to Israel for clarifications by the Israel Airports Authority."

Uh, there's this new communications device called a telephone, try using it. Or why does it have to be a "delegation" wouldn't one person suffice?

Superguy Apr 17, 2011 9:04 pm


Originally Posted by SWCPHX (Post 16235780)
What I see is a waste of taxpayer money in "send[ing] a delegation to Israel for clarifications by the Israel Airports Authority."

Uh, there's this new communications device called a telephone, try using it. Or why does it have to be a "delegation" wouldn't one person suffice?

Some people saw the opportunity for a free trip to Israel at taxpayer expense.

GUWonder Apr 18, 2011 1:49 am

If the claim about the gun being in the checked luggage in the cargo hold is not fiction and if the weapon wasn't loaded and/or poorly stored ammunition wasn't a factor, then I wouldn't be concerned in the least if such a weapon were in the cargo holds of my commercial, scheduled flights.

When it comes to the security of a flight, the focus on interdicting explosives is worth not being distracted by a quest for guns in a checked baggage item or the voodoo "security" of trying to read minds at an airport.

FriendlySkies Apr 18, 2011 12:17 pm

So one problem with Israeli security, and the article mentions that this undermines their tight procedures :rolleyes:

How many "problems" has TSA had?

goalie Apr 18, 2011 3:52 pm


Originally Posted by SWCPHX (Post 16235780)
What I see is a waste of taxpayer money in "send[ing] a delegation to Israel for clarifications by the Israel Airports Authority."

Uh, there's this new communications device called a telephone, try using it. Or why does it have to be a "delegation" wouldn't one person suffice?

Yup-but the way our gov't thinks, they are only up to the two tin cans a string model and the string is too short to reach all the way to Israel ;)

TWA884 Apr 19, 2011 11:59 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 16236808)
If the claim about the gun being in the checked luggage in the cargo hold is not fiction and if the weapon wasn't loaded and/or poorly stored ammunition wasn't a factor, then I wouldn't be concerned in the least if such a weapon were in the cargo holds of my commercial, scheduled flights.

That's how members of the Japanese Red Army brought their weapons when they attacked the Tel Aviv airport in 1972 where 26 people were killed and dozens injured.

BBC - 1972: Japanese kill 26 at Tel Aviv airport

GUWonder Apr 19, 2011 2:01 pm


Originally Posted by TWA884 (Post 16245387)
That's how members of the Japanese Red Army brought their weapons when they attacked the Tel Aviv airport in 1972 where 26 people were killed and dozens injured.

BBC - 1972: Japanese kill 26 at Tel Aviv airport

I see your point. :o

They got the guns from the baggage belt items and not from the cargo hold. [I certainly don't recall those terrorists having access to place the guns in the cargo hold or access to remove the guns from the cargo hold on their own.]

A shoot-out on the ground can happen anywhere where guns are readily available to a large number of people, including at an airport where disembarking passengers are going back "landside"/beyond the security perimeter within which all ordinary persons are searched for weapons at least.

thegreathabibi Apr 20, 2011 4:37 pm

being an officer in the airforce in israel is considered something of prestige so this might be the reason his cargo bag wasn't scrutinized but i wonder what would have happened if he landed in america with that weapon, and it was discovered by customs in the US?

Wonder if his rank in the IAF would be taken in to consideration or he would be slapped with a felony and made an example of?

Or would the weapon vanish like netanyahu's security details' weapons that time he came for a visit....

TWA884 Apr 20, 2011 4:55 pm


Originally Posted by thegreathabibi (Post 16253416)
being an officer in the airforce in israel is considered something of prestige so this might be the reason his cargo bag wasn't scrutinized...

Are you insinuating protexia? Perish the thought.


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