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MDtR-Chicago Apr 18, 2011 11:51 am

I find an interesting dichotomy in this thread.

The public, in general, is asked to believe that a threat with a relatively long-term risk of 1 in 3.5 BILLION is something to be terrified of, on a daily basis, to the point of hiring tens of thousands of screeners to fight the threat, armed with millions of dollars of technology.

However, much more likely risks we're asked to not worry about. If I'm counting right, the risk that a TSA screener is a criminal - thief, smuggling accomplice, etc. - is around 1 in 4000. And this is given the knowledge that being caught in a serious crime will end a TSA employee's career.

So on my next trip through the airport, if I walk up to any random TSA employee and I also walk up to any random airplane passenger, the risk that the TSA employee is a criminal is about 875,000 times MORE LIKELY than that the passenger is a terrorist about to blow up a plane.

But the TSA wants me to live in constant fear of a terrorist yet accept that TSA employees left "on their honor", so to speak, will not risk committing a crime.

(It's hard to take anything seriously a TSA employee says after that.)

Caradoc Apr 18, 2011 11:53 am


Originally Posted by MDtR-Chicago (Post 16238997)
So on my next trip through the airport, if I walk up to any random TSA employee and I also walk up to any random airplane passenger, the risk that the TSA employee is a criminal is about 875,000 times MORE LIKELY than that the passenger is a terrorist about to blow up a plane.

I think you're missing a few zeroes on the latter probability.

mozgytog Apr 18, 2011 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by Bart
So if you want to argue that these machines can theoretically store images obtained from AIT scanning, I can't speak to the the technical aspects. I'm not a technician, but I assume that the system works no differently than any other computer.

That's kind of the point. The screener stations are basically just PCs, with all the components and functionality of any other PC. It would actually be much harder to redesign off=the-shelf PC components to not store the images.

You may not be a technician, but I am a computer engineer. The images are still being captured and transmitted in raw format from the BKSX or MMW to the screening PC. They're dumped to some kind of storage there to allow the screener to look at, magnify, etc. The most easiest way to do this is to write them to a temp directory that is periodically emptied. It would be trivially easy to get to that directory and copy the data, even after deletion, unless a secure wipe was done.

As for the USB ports, you may not have seen them, but I'm certain they are there. The specifications called for them, which means they have to be, but there's another much more simple reason that they are. I haven't seen too many motherboards made in the last five years that do not have USB headers on them. They may not have ports on the front of the case, but they'll definitely be on the on-board panel on the back.

N965VJ Apr 18, 2011 12:48 pm

It seems the post a TSA screener made on SpaceBattles.com, that is the subject of this thread, has been removed.

It's still cached on Google. When will TSA employees learn how the interwebs work? :p



http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...7/73b70917.jpg

TheGolfWidow Apr 18, 2011 1:32 pm


Originally Posted by Sky auditor (Post 16238270)
I doubt very much any screener is screened before entering the viewing booth. Why would there be any more attention paid to proper oversight of screeners engaged in this function than the rest of the checkpoint functions?

You're right - I forgot. They are the nation's trusted security professionals and we are "fares." No need to do more than to tell them "Don't take your cell phone or any storage devices into the booth with you."

MatthewLAX Apr 18, 2011 4:01 pm


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 16239314)
It seems the post a TSA screener made on SpaceBattles.com, that is the subject of this thread, has been removed.

It's still cached on Google. When will TSA employees learn how the interwebs work? :p



http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...7/73b70917.jpg

I know that members of the media are attempting to talk to this guy.

I have reached out to him as well.

He must be scared.

mozgytog Apr 18, 2011 4:13 pm


Originally Posted by MatthewLAX (Post 16240455)
I know that members of the media are attempting to talk to this guy.

I have reached out to him as well.

He must be scared.

He has probably already been snapped up and sent to Room 101.

Mister Dystopia™ Apr 18, 2011 5:56 pm

So now the cat is out of the bag. I hope folks are sending this stuff to their congress critters. Cause it appears that higher ups in the governmental foodchain have lied to the people again. Who woulda thunk it?

I kinda miss the days of Nixon at times. You knew he was a crook. Now they all profess to be as clean as snow and driven with the best intentions for us. Scares the living sh*t outta me.

Himeno Apr 18, 2011 6:04 pm


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 16239314)
It seems the post a TSA screener made on SpaceBattles.com, that is the subject of this thread, has been removed.

A mod has gone through that thread and removed the quotes (and possibly the original post as well).
Jurai's sig has also been edited.

Either Jurai requested the posts be edited, or "someone" contacted the forum admin about the post.

Caradoc Apr 18, 2011 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by MatthewLAX (Post 16240455)
He must be scared.

It's got legs.

Edit: It strikes me that I just found your blog. Never mind.

A Jurai Knight Apr 18, 2011 6:48 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 16234429)
He is talking out of his posterior. THere is no way to save the images.

Yeah, pretty much.


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 16241008)
A mod has gone through that thread and removed the quotes (and possibly the original post as well).
Jurai's sig has also been edited.

Either Jurai requested the posts be edited, or "someone" contacted the forum admin about the post.

You of all people should know how I am over on SB when it comes to the ol TSA...

You should also know that every time we're discussing TSA issues that its always from a checked baggage perspective...

A Jurai Knight Apr 18, 2011 6:52 pm

Also the mods thought it was opsec so they deleted posts and edited the profile.

N965VJ Apr 18, 2011 6:57 pm


Originally Posted by A Jurai Knight (Post 16241229)
You of all people should know how I am over on SB when it comes to the ol TSA...

Welcome to FlyerTalk! :D

A Jurai Knight Apr 18, 2011 7:00 pm


Originally Posted by mozgytog (Post 16240503)
He has probably already been snapped up and sent to Room 101.

Its more like Vault 112....

Caradoc Apr 18, 2011 7:06 pm


Originally Posted by A Jurai Knight (Post 16241229)
Yeah, pretty much.

Wait... so you're telling the truth about lying about the AIT saving images?

Now I'm confused.


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