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Originally Posted by MG2779
(Post 16195732)
Canada (except Quebec) follows Common Law. So yes, there are felonies; y'know, like killing someone.
Originally Posted by mileena
(Post 16195741)
Corrected I stand re the terminology! :) I meant to say Canada considers DUI a very serious offense, more along the lines of a felony here in the US.
http://www.nationalpardon.org/blog/n...-vs-indictable For example, a DUI charge which is considered a serious crime in Canada is still rarely categorized as an indictable offence unless someone was hurt in the process. On the other hand something like manslaughter is always indictable. Some charges can go either way and is left to the discretion of the prosecuting attorney which further complicates the matter. If you are unsure of how your charge was cetegorized there is really no way to be certain unless you have access to your criminal record or court documents. |
Originally Posted by trooper
(Post 16195742)
Fair comment...
I'd phrase it (as others have already done): "Anyone planning to go to Canada should have found this out" Look... I live in a different hemisphere.. and I found out that sort of detail before going to Canada for the first time... it is no different to establishing whether you need a visa, can get it on arrival or not etc etc Who said it was a safety or security issue? That link simply says the CBSA determines eligibility to be admitted in accordance "with Canadian Law"... I also agree, I shouldn't have assumed everyone knows about this law. I, myself, only learned about it in 2008 or 2009. |
Canada it the ONLY country on the planet I've completely written off ever visiting due to this reason. I am sure neither of us will miss each other in the slightest. I spend lots of travel dollars that I am sure they can live without. Canada has cultural and natural assets that I can live without.
No sense crying over it if me and Canada can't make a love connection. Moral of the story. "Most" other countries are far more tourist friendly than Canada. Tourists should make their plans accordingly. |
Originally Posted by azmmza
(Post 16195372)
A co worker just called me from YVR and told me he was denied entry into Canada.
He was on his way to Whistler for a week-long ski vacation and upon landing in YVR he was refused entry due to a DUI that he received in 2007. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/informa...des/5312E5.asp "Rehabilitation for persons who are inadmissible to Canada because of past criminal activity (IMM 5312) Coming to, or remaining in Canada without approval of rehabilitation If you need to come to Canada, but cannot apply for rehabilitation because five years have not passed since the end of the sentence imposed or you are not eligible to apply for a pardon for convictions in Canada, you may ask an officer for special permission to enter or remain in Canada. Complete the Application for Criminal Rehabilitation, but check the box that states, “For Information Only.” Attach the documents outlined in the Document Checklist. After reviewing the form and looking at the nature of the offences, number of offences, when they happened and your current situation, the officer may: At Canadian visa offices outside of Canada advise that they do not recommend that you travel to Canada; or, advise that you could apply for special permission (temporary resident’s permit) to enter Canada*. At Ports of Entry (airport, marine or land) (Contact your nearest Canadian visa office before travelling to Canada.) advise that you will not be allowed to enter Canada and ask you to return immediately to your country of departure; take enforcement action (arrest, detention and/or removal); or, advise that you could apply for special permission (temporary resident’s permit) to enter Canada*. In Canada ask that you leave Canada voluntarily; take enforcement action (arrest, detention, and/or removal from Canada); or advise that you could apply for special permission (temporary resident’s permit) to remain in Canada*. *There will be processing fees for applications for special permission to come into or remain in Canada. You will be advised of the processing fees at the time, or you can refer to our website for further details." [end] In the past, people have been successful getting in to Canada at the border by emphasizing they are a tourist and there to spend lots of money (no kidding). But you have to convince the Border Agent you are dealing with of this, and he has final discretion...period...even if you already have a Temporary Resident Permit or Certificate of Rehabilitation. He could just as likely send you home, as he did to the OP's co-worker. |
Originally Posted by mre5765
(Post 16195761)
http://www.nationalpardon.org/blog/n...-vs-indictable
For example, a DUI charge which is considered a serious crime in Canada is still rarely categorized as an indictable offence unless someone was hurt in the process. On the other hand something like manslaughter is always indictable. Some charges can go either way and is left to the discretion of the prosecuting attorney which further complicates the matter. If you are unsure of how your charge was cetegorized there is really no way to be certain unless you have access to your criminal record or court documents. And you're right about the word "felony" not being within the lexicon of the Canadian legal system. |
Originally Posted by Mabuk dan gila
(Post 16195817)
Canada it the ONLY country on the planet I've completely written off ever visiting due to this reason. I am sure neither of us will miss each other in the slightest. I spend lots of travel dollars that I am sure they can live without. Canada has cultural and natural assets that I can live without.
No sense crying over it if me and Canada can't make a love connection. Moral of the story. "Most" other countries are far more tourist friendly than Canada. Tourists should make their plans accordingly. |
Have to say, anybody trying to travel internationally with a criminal record should be very careful, this guy should have known better. Probably figured Canada was laid back about tourists from USA... However, as someone without a criminal record, I think this policy is a bit too strict. Just my opinion...
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Originally Posted by bubb1
(Post 16195838)
Have to say, anybody trying to travel internationally with a criminal record should be very careful, this guy should have known better. Probably figured Canada was laid back about tourists from USA... However, as someone without a criminal record, I think this policy is a bit too strict. Just my opinion...
I, OTOH, have at least 11 misdemeanor convictions and a felony arrest, as well as multiple active arrest warrants from out of state, so I am not bothering to go with her. Plus I'd rather not be stuck on a ship for 10 days. BTW, Canada only started really enforcing this law in the mid-2000's, after the US started turning away Canadians with records after 9/11. Tit for tat. |
Back to my original post, any chances the insurance or CC company will cover this loss?
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http://www.insurancesmartbook.com/tr...l_of_entry.htm
"Visa Rules For the USA - Beware - Travel Insurance May Not Cover Denial of Entry!" "One good reason to make sure your visa is in order - and one that many travellers may not be aware of - is that if anything should go wrong travel insurance policies usually exclude claims for losses associated with failure to obtain necessary visas. Ignorance is no excuse - and being denied entry could cause a lot of unnecessary expense - not to mention crushing disappointment." Re the credit card chargeback, usually you have to prove that the service was not rendered or the product was not delivered or was defective. In this case, the service was offered, but your friend was not fully eligible to take advantage of it due to his inadmissibility to Canada. IOW, the resort or travel agency offered the product in good faith and it's not their fault he was inadmissible. So I am assuming the chargeback would be denied. |
The chance of any kind of redress appears low. Ultimately, this is a question that can only be answered by reading through the fine print on the insurance contract and the cardholder agreement of the credit card, though.
It should be fairly easy for the co-worker to locate the travel insurance contract which would list exactly what the insurance covers and under what circumstances. However, since the policy under which the co-worker was denied entry has been publicized by the Canadian immigration authorities, the U.S. State Department, the media and travel information websites such as this, it seems unlikely the policy will cover any expense arising out of failure to comply with the policy unless it is a particularly generous insurance policy. |
Originally Posted by mileena
(Post 16196125)
Here is some info about this:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1064.html "Security Screening: U.S. citizens are advised that all persons applying for entry to Israel, the West Bank, or Gaza are subject to security and police record checks by the Government of Israel, and may be denied entry or exit without explanation. U.S. citizen visitors have been subjected to prolonged questioning and thorough searches by Israeli authorities upon entry or departure. U.S. citizens whom Israeli authorities suspect of being of Arab, Middle Eastern, or Muslim origin; those who have been involved in missionary or activist activity; and those who ask that Israeli stamps not be entered into their passport may face additional, often time-consuming, and probing questioning by immigration and border authorities, or may even be denied entry into Israel, the West Bank, or Gaza." |
Originally Posted by yyzvoyageur
(Post 16195822)
Offences like impaired operation that may be prosecuted either summarily or by way of indictment are deemed (for immigration purposes) to be indictable offences, even if prosecuted summarily. You can call it a double standard if you like, but it's the law: paragraph 36(3)(a) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.
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Originally Posted by mre5765
(Post 16197613)
Pretty much any summary offence in Canada can be prosecuted as an indictable offence, correct?
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1) Non-citizens do not have an automatic right to enter another country.
2) Countries are free to set policies that restrict non-citizens from entry. 3) DUI is a crime in most places in the world. 4) Criminals are not wanted in Canada nor in most countries. 5) Canada has a process to review admissibility for people that are normally inadmissible. |
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