I thought TSA stopped molesting kids under 12?
Mar 21, 2011, 2:52 am
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I thought TSA stopped molesting kids under 12?
About 2-3 weeks after TSA started molesting children last fall, Maximum Leader Pistole decided that children under 12 would receive a "modified pat down", but refused to say what it exactly a "modified" pat-down was. Since then, there's been a wide-spread assumption that children under 12 (older still fair game) would not be groped like their parents and older siblings.
Well, here's a post from valleynewslive.com of Fargo / Grand Forks which gives perhaps some information as to what the modified pat down may entail:
1. Passenger is 17 months old, travelling with his mother.
2. He is wearing those little metal tab overalls.
3. These tabs set off the metal detector.
4. When the mother got out her cell phone and tried to videotape the search, the agents stopped her.
Note that here, the agent (1) choose a victim who was too young to complain himself and (2) stopped the mother from making a record of what they were doing. Also (3) it seems that the mother was traveling alone.
All par for the typical TSA course of preying upon the weak, particularly the woman traveling alone or with minor children.
Well, here's a post from valleynewslive.com of Fargo / Grand Forks which gives perhaps some information as to what the modified pat down may entail:
1. Passenger is 17 months old, travelling with his mother.
2. He is wearing those little metal tab overalls.
3. These tabs set off the metal detector.
4. When the mother got out her cell phone and tried to videotape the search, the agents stopped her.
Juliette says the agents patted down her son, "he went like this down each side of him. He went down the front here. It made me really uncomfortable because we raise our children to not be touched by strangers."
But according to the TSA website..everyone, even babies, needs to be screened. The agency says, though, they do so with proper care, "we specially train our security officers and they understand your concern for your children. They will approach your children gently and treat them with respect."
But Juliette says that's not how TSA agents treated her son, "I understand being screened, but not giving me alternative choices like a wand which would have gone off right on his suspenders."
But according to the TSA website..everyone, even babies, needs to be screened. The agency says, though, they do so with proper care, "we specially train our security officers and they understand your concern for your children. They will approach your children gently and treat them with respect."
But Juliette says that's not how TSA agents treated her son, "I understand being screened, but not giving me alternative choices like a wand which would have gone off right on his suspenders."
All par for the typical TSA course of preying upon the weak, particularly the woman traveling alone or with minor children.
Mar 21, 2011, 4:06 am
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...Well, here's a post from valleynewslive.com of Fargo / Grand Forks which gives perhaps some information as to what the modified pat down may entail:
1. Passenger is 17 months old, travelling with his mother.
2. He is wearing those little metal tab overalls.
3. These tabs set off the metal detector.
4. When the mother got out her cell phone and tried to videotape the search, the agents stopped her.
Note that here, the agent (1) choose a victim who was too young to complain himself and (2) stopped the mother from making a record of what they were doing. Also (3) it seems that the mother was traveling alone.
All par for the typical TSA course of preying upon the weak, particularly the woman traveling alone or with minor children.
1. Passenger is 17 months old, travelling with his mother.
2. He is wearing those little metal tab overalls.
3. These tabs set off the metal detector.
4. When the mother got out her cell phone and tried to videotape the search, the agents stopped her.
Note that here, the agent (1) choose a victim who was too young to complain himself and (2) stopped the mother from making a record of what they were doing. Also (3) it seems that the mother was traveling alone.
All par for the typical TSA course of preying upon the weak, particularly the woman traveling alone or with minor children.
Mar 21, 2011, 5:48 am
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Mar 21, 2011, 7:03 am
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Of course, this wouldn't be the first time that Bloghdad Bob has outright lied to the public.
Mar 21, 2011, 7:27 am
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In this case old Bob isn't lying. Airports are just staffed with poorly trained and supervised people who make up their own rules as they go along. The post , I think last week, had all the elements, TSO's said he couldn't film , then one said he could as long as porno screen didn't show, then several TSO's stood in front of him to block the view and finally one TSO threatens him with the famous 'do you want to fly" line.
On the other hand, flipping channels last week I saw a former judge and a former felony prosecuter both say that that our gov't couldn't be trusted to tell the truth. The prosecuter was talikng about radiation from Japan reaching the U.S., the judge was talking about our gov't in general.
On the other hand, flipping channels last week I saw a former judge and a former felony prosecuter both say that that our gov't couldn't be trusted to tell the truth. The prosecuter was talikng about radiation from Japan reaching the U.S., the judge was talking about our gov't in general.
Mar 21, 2011, 7:45 am
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So again, this continues to be a case of preying on the weak, and this is at a point where their protectors, the mother and the father cannot really do anything because they would risk arrest themselves.
Mar 21, 2011, 8:05 am
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Airports are just staffed with poorly trained and supervised people who make up their own rules as they go along. The post , I think last week, had all the elements, TSO's said he couldn't film , then one said he could as long as porno screen didn't show, then several TSO's stood in front of him to block the view and finally one TSO threatens him with the famous 'do you want to fly" line.
Bob lied. He says the official TSA policy says one thing - while it's painfully obvious to anyone observing that their unofficial policy says the opposite.
Mar 21, 2011, 8:20 am
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In this case old Bob isn't lying. Airports are just staffed with poorly trained and supervised people who make up their own rules as they go along. The post , I think last week, had all the elements, TSO's said he couldn't film , then one said he could as long as porno screen didn't show, then several TSO's stood in front of him to block the view and finally one TSO threatens him with the famous 'do you want to fly" line.
On the other hand, flipping channels last week I saw a former judge and a former felony prosecuter both say that that our gov't couldn't be trusted to tell the truth. The prosecuter was talikng about radiation from Japan reaching the U.S., the judge was talking about our gov't in general.
On the other hand, flipping channels last week I saw a former judge and a former felony prosecuter both say that that our gov't couldn't be trusted to tell the truth. The prosecuter was talikng about radiation from Japan reaching the U.S., the judge was talking about our gov't in general.
Doesn't matter who at TSA is in the wrong.
Mar 21, 2011, 1:21 pm
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Mar 21, 2011, 4:03 pm
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Well according to some interviews I have saw. TSA/DHS has it in their training rules to train their employee's to make up the rules as they go along at different airports because that keeps the terrorist confused and in the dark. Now since it is only the passengers who are being effected by that dumb idea. We all know whom they believe to be the only terrorist out there wanting to get on the plane. That would be all of the passengers from age 0 to 92. Healthy or disabled, male or female.
Mar 21, 2011, 4:24 pm
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Sorry, the video didn't run on my machine. I was going off the written description. Drat you Steve Jobs!
Well, it's at least better to the extent they're no picking on a woman travelling alone, I'll grant that. However, there was a decision made not to use the metal wand to isolate the source of the failure to clear. I doubt they'd have done this if the child had been old enough to complain on his own, as in case a few years ago of the three-old girl screaming "Don't touch me.".
So again, this continues to be a case of preying on the weak, and this is at a point where their protectors, the mother and the father cannot really do anything because they would risk arrest themselves.
Well, it's at least better to the extent they're no picking on a woman travelling alone, I'll grant that. However, there was a decision made not to use the metal wand to isolate the source of the failure to clear. I doubt they'd have done this if the child had been old enough to complain on his own, as in case a few years ago of the three-old girl screaming "Don't touch me.".
So again, this continues to be a case of preying on the weak, and this is at a point where their protectors, the mother and the father cannot really do anything because they would risk arrest themselves.
Mar 21, 2011, 4:32 pm
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Better, less invasive and much more specific than a patdown.
This would make sense, but TSA has none.......
Mar 21, 2011, 4:34 pm
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There are times where the HHMD would make sense, unfortunately those decisions are made way above me.