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manneca Mar 31, 2011 6:49 am

Doctors opting out
 
Just saw this. Did a search and didn't see it.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/03/31...=Google+Reader

CNN story on docs opting out (or not)

ElizabethConley Mar 31, 2011 7:39 am

Responsible Journalism
 
I wrote Ms Cohen a nice note in the comments section. I thought the article was a credit to her, and an example of the type of professional reporting journalists rarely bother with these days.

If anyone else feels so moved, a few more kind, encouraging notes to Ms Cohen might bear fruit.

RatherBeOnATrain Mar 31, 2011 8:07 am

Awesome article! I noticed it included this line:
The researchers calculated for every 100 million passengers who fly seven one-way flights a year, six of them could get cancer as a result of the radiation exposure from the full-body scans.
The problems with these studies are that they are not really relevant to frequent flyers. Heck, there are lots of FTers who do mileage runs in which they fly seven (or more) one-way flights (segments) in a single weekend!

What I need to see is an article with results like this:
The researchers calculated for every X frequent-fliers who typically fly seven or more one-way flights a week, Y of them could get cancer as a result of the radiation exposure from the full-body scans.
Until then, I'm going to keep self-opting myself out of the nude-o-scopes.

TheGolfWidow Mar 31, 2011 8:14 am

Quote:

"Multiple independent studies have confirmed that the technology used to protect passengers when they fly is safe for their health," says TSA spokesman Nicholas Kimball. "TSA takes many precautions to regularly verify that all machines are operating properly."
I would have liked this further probed, but overall, I liked the article.

I'm a nurse and my husband is a physicist (and he has had melanoma.) Our family will let other people be the six (or sixty?) each year who could get cancer as a result of that inconsequential dose of radiation.

doober Mar 31, 2011 8:54 am

It occurs to me to ask if these additional cases of cancers are in individuals not already pre-disposed to cancer or are they in people who, as TheGolfWidow's husband, have already had cancer, especially a skin cancer.

I should think the numbers would be much higher in those pre-disposed vs. the "normal" population.

mikemey Mar 31, 2011 10:09 am

My wife is a physician.

She absolutely refuses to go through the box until a peer-reviewed journal reports on their safety, and even then she probably won't.

JObeth66 Mar 31, 2011 10:57 am

I think that regardless of the cancer statistics, there is one thing that we can /absolutely/ say with certainty.

More people will be diagnosed with cancer as a result of going through these machines than terrorists will be discovered as a result of going through these machines.

And that fact removes them from the realm of reasonableness.

doober Mar 31, 2011 11:08 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JObeth66 (Post 16135322)
I think that regardless of the cancer statistics, there is one thing that we can /absolutely/ say with certainty.

More people will be diagnosed with cancer as a result of going through these machines than terrorists will be discovered as a result of going through these machines.

And that fact removes them from the realm of reasonableness.


^^

GoingAway Mar 31, 2011 12:51 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JObeth66 (Post 16135322)
I think that regardless of the cancer statistics, there is one thing that we can /absolutely/ say with certainty.

More people will be diagnosed with cancer as a result of going through these machines than terrorists will be discovered as a result of going through these machines.

And that fact removes them from the realm of reasonableness.

Don't forget the lawsuits in 20 years that will make the Fed Govt pay for the medical costs and damages associated with those cancer cases once it's proved in a court of law that the machines weren't properly tested, maintained or managed to protect the traveling public.

ElizabethConley Mar 31, 2011 2:21 pm

Why I Said 'No' to Backscatter Scanning
 
Dr. Cindy Haines:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-cin..._b_842587.html

GoingAway Mar 31, 2011 2:26 pm

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Radiation exposure, however small, is a known risk to our health. My bottom line: Must I receive radiation for lack of an alternative? In this scenario, thankfully, no. The alternative in this case is that full body pat-down, completely devoid of any radiation exposure.
Doesn't that just say it all?

chollie Mar 31, 2011 2:29 pm

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Originally Posted by GoingAway (Post 16136073)
Don't forget the lawsuits in 20 years that will make the Fed Govt pay for the medical costs and damages associated with those cancer cases once it's proved in a court of law that the machines weren't properly tested, maintained or managed to protect the traveling public.

"Fed Gov't" = us, the taxpayers.

GoingAway Mar 31, 2011 2:30 pm

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Originally Posted by chollie (Post 16136728)
"Fed Gov't" = us, the taxpayers.

Believe me, I know .. dinged and double dinged for something that should never have been implemented and paid for in the first place :mad:

goalie Mar 31, 2011 2:48 pm

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Originally Posted by GoingAway (Post 16136732)
Believe me, I know .. dinged and double dinged for something that should never have been implemented and paid for in the first place :mad:

Yup :td: and the lobbyists and folks like Skeletor (who just so happens :rolleyes: to have a vested interest in one of the AIT companies) sure got rich at our expense as well :mad:

RVP Mar 31, 2011 5:06 pm

Interesting article and debate among doctors.

I last saw my Dr. a couple of months ago, and mentioned an upcoming flight. I asked him what he thought of the nude-o-scopes and he responded that he was not concerned as the amount of radiation was negligible.

I asked him how he could possibly know that for sure, and then ranted on a few moments about the violations of our 4th amendment rights, why it was necessary for TSA to have such invasive security theater tactics, how any amount of radiation can be considered truly safe, etc. We ended the conversation with him asking me questions!

One. Convert. At. A. Time. ;)


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