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Good Guy Mar 14, 2011 6:50 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 16035330)
I can't remember the last time I saw a cop in a US city (who wasn't in SWAT gear) walking around with a bullet vest - but every cop I see in Toronto has one on...in Toronto...like it's Kabul or something :rolleyes:

Most police officers (well, the smart ones) in the US wear their vests under their shirts. Not sure if your aware of that. Like this.
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OttawaMark Mar 14, 2011 7:05 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 16035330)

I can't remember the last time I saw a cop in a US city (who wasn't in SWAT gear) walking around with a bullet vest - but every cop I see in Toronto has one on...in Toronto...like it's Kabul or something :rolleyes:

So is it your contention that most US cops (non swat) don't wear body armour of some kind?

yyzvoyageur Mar 14, 2011 8:30 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 16035330)
I can't remember the last time I saw a cop in a US city (who wasn't in SWAT gear) walking around with a bullet vest - but every cop I see in Toronto has one on...in Toronto...like it's Kabul or something :rolleyes:

As Good Guy already said, they're wearing internal carriers. And, really, it's none of you're affair.

J. Leslie Mar 14, 2011 8:39 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 16035330)
One cultural difference between us - if a US employer told their US employees to wear or do something that was silly or uncomfortable, people here would speak up and raise a ruckus (especially government employees protected by their union) and even refuse to comply.

Canadian are just too accepting of authority.

Really? I know of at least one group of US employees who do something "silly and uncomfortable" without raising a ruckus. They wear blue shirts.

And if you want to see a lineup of people "too accepting of authority" why don't you head to your nearest airport. I believe you have those down there.

Mimi111 Mar 14, 2011 8:40 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 16035330)
That wasn't a personal jab at individual inspectors, that was a jab at Canadian government policy - which I jab at quite frequently.

One cultural difference between us - if a US employer told their US employees to wear or do something that was silly or uncomfortable, people here would speak up and raise a ruckus (especially government employees protected by their union) and even refuse to comply.

Canadian are just too accepting of authority. If inspectors don't like them (and I'd imagine sitting there for hours at a time with that thing on is not comfortable), then why not go to the union and organize a big stink over it and get large groups of staff to show up for work without the jackets?

I can't remember the last time I saw a cop in a US city (who wasn't in SWAT gear) walking around with a bullet vest - but every cop I see in Toronto has one on...in Toronto...like it's Kabul or something :rolleyes:

You do realize which site you posted this on, right? Is the bulk of this entire section of the FT forums not about "A US employer(the government), telling its employees to do something silly or uncomfortable" and them NOT speaking up, NOT causing a ruckus and NOT refusing to comply? How about illegal, immoral and just plain disgusting? Hmmm?

Canadians are too accepting of authority? Again, sheeple in the US are causing other Americans and those of us who don't even live there to go through ridiculous security theatre because they aren't speaking up.

I hardly think the Canadian government requiring CPB officers to wear safety gear even comes close to some of the issues we are seeing south of the border. :rolleyes:

We're far from perfect here but the above was almost laughable.

bocastephen Mar 15, 2011 12:24 am


Originally Posted by Good Guy (Post 16035389)
Most police officers (well, the smart ones) in the US wear their vests under their shirts. Not sure if your aware of that. Like this.
^

I haven't seen any cops around here (South Florida) wearing anything of the sort under their shirts - and it would be fairly obvious.


Originally Posted by yyzvoyageur (Post 16035803)
As Good Guy already said, they're wearing internal carriers. And, really, it's none of you're affair.

What is "none of my affair"?

SQ421 Mar 15, 2011 12:52 am


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 16021366)

1. In the customs and immigration area, the passport control people sitting behind the desks wear body armor! We're not talking about immigration & customs people working at the entrance to a Canadian Embassy in a really bad country in a really bad neighborhood. These people are inside secure areas in major internal Canadian airports where everyone arriving has been screened for weapons of some type???

Why do passport control people sitting behind the desks at US airports carry guns? For most people in the rest of the world, the sight of someone in that position carrying a gun will be more off-putting than a person wearing body armour or a slash resistant vest.

Everyone arriving there has been screened and divested of weapons and bottles of water. Whats the worry then?

tcm Mar 15, 2011 5:24 am

Let me defuse the U.S.-Canadian tension going on here by highlighting that the "Security Theatre" in both countries is equally stupid. Come over to Europe and see how people enjoy civilized travel:p

N1120A Mar 15, 2011 11:55 am


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 16031068)
Come to my state; it is even worse here.

Worse? You in Texas or Arizona or something? You must have confused me for someone who likes the idea of packing heat. ;)


Originally Posted by J. Leslie (Post 16035841)
Really? I know of at least one group of US employees who do something "silly and uncomfortable" without raising a ruckus. They wear blue shirts.

And if you want to see a lineup of people "too accepting of authority" why don't you head to your nearest airport. I believe you have those down there.

Exactly. Canadian opt-out rates are higher and on the rise. So much for accepting of authority.

unLogical Mar 15, 2011 1:32 pm


Originally Posted by N1120A (Post 16039291)
Worse? You in Texas or Arizona or something? You must have confused me for someone who likes the idea of packing heat. ;)



Exactly. Canadian opt-out rates are higher and on the rise. So much for accepting of authority.

Where are you getting this information from?

Air Koryo Mar 15, 2011 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 16035330)
...One cultural difference between us - if a US employer told their US employees to wear or do something that was silly or uncomfortable, people here would speak up and raise a ruckus (especially government employees protected by their union) and even refuse to comply.

LOL!

TSA goons grabbing penises all day!

Ari Mar 15, 2011 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by N1120A (Post 16039291)
Worse? You in Texas or Arizona or something? You must have confused me for someone who likes the idea of packing heat. ;)

No-- that was about me, not you.

But I thought you came down on the side of constitutional freedoms . . .

yyzvoyageur Mar 15, 2011 8:52 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 16036664)
What is "none of my affair"?

What personal protective equipment a peace officer wears.

bocastephen Mar 16, 2011 1:14 am


Originally Posted by yyzvoyageur (Post 16042271)
What personal protective equipment a peace officer wears.

Everything cops do on the job is my business - they are my employees and accountable to me.

Mimi111 Mar 16, 2011 9:59 am


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 16043139)
Everything cops do on the job is my business - they are my employees and accountable to me.

Really? You're in Florida. Do you pay taxes here? There are better things to complain about than CBP officers wearing PPE. At the end of the day, it doesn't negatively affect me and it's potentially helpful to them so it's a non-issue. This whole, Canadians are too complacent bs is quite funny all things considered. Clean up your own house then we can talk.


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