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ElizabethConley Mar 11, 2011 2:41 pm

TSA vs Alaska Smackdown
 
Round I:

http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-house-...,5706316.story

JUNEAU, Alaska
The Alaska House of Representatives passed a resolution Friday urging the Transportation Security Administration to reconsider its use of pat-down procedures.

The measure, sponsored by Democrats and Republicansm emerged as an official response to the recent incident involving Rep. Sharon Cissna (D-Anchorage), who refused a pat-down at the Seattle Airport and chose to take a ferry back to Alaska instead.

Cissna is a cancer survivor who said she was singled out because of irregularities in her chest, the result of a mastectomy.

The resolution, which passed 37-1, also requests that the Transportation Security Administration conduct pat-down searches using less invasive but equally effective procedures. It also urges Congress to exercise greater oversight of the TSA.

Rep. Bob Lynn (R-Anchorage) voted against the measure.

jordanmills Mar 11, 2011 2:51 pm

A measure which will be completely ignored. They need to start arresting and prosecuting the perverts performing the crimes.

gojirasan Mar 11, 2011 2:52 pm

Wow. 37-1! That's impressive. That seems to speak very strongly against the lies of the TSA that most people accept the invasive genital gropings. And of course the one dissenter is a republican who probably loves having his weenie rubbed because no one else will. On economic issues that don't involve corporations (they have a hard-on for corporations), I usually prefer the Republican position to the Democratic one, but in everything else Democrats tend to be ever so slightly more pro-liberty and they are definitely more correct on their view of corporations. The fact that Obama is in office and supports all these violations however does lend credence to what we libertarians usually argue: there is no significant difference between the two parties. Even on police state issues Bush = Obama. Nevertheless if you are looking for fascists who support police tasering of 6 year olds and repressive police states and despise personal freedoms (like freedom of speech and freedom from searches) in general the Republican party would be a better place to look.

Bungnoid Mar 11, 2011 2:55 pm

So they object to the pat-downs but not the naked scanners?

ElizabethConley Mar 11, 2011 2:56 pm


Originally Posted by jordanmills (Post 16018152)
A measure which will be completely ignored. They need to start arresting and prosecuting the perverts performing the crimes.


They're starting where they should. They need to fire that shot over the bow, just to make the issue crystal clear in everyones' minds.

When the strongest proponents of ending scope n' grope put forth more forceful legislation, they can point to this mild beginning and remind the faint of heart that they already tried "playing nice".

nachtnebel Mar 11, 2011 3:02 pm


The resolution, which passed 37-1, also requests that the Transportation Security Administration conduct pat-down searches using less invasive but equally effective procedures.
oh GREAT!!!

equally effective? stupid. . making people take off their clothes could be construed to satisfy that.

How about reasonably effective? How about using the procedures you've used for the past 10 years...

I'd Rather Walk Mar 11, 2011 3:25 pm

With everything that Rep Cissna went through and the sympathy and support she had, I too find this very dissapointing. Your dealing with people like Big Sis who thinks pax biggest complaint is taking off their shoes (her statement on Huckabe interview ignoring his dig about hands in pants).

sdtumbleweed Mar 11, 2011 3:55 pm

The least invasive (and probably more effective) would be explosive-sniffing dogs......just think of the money and time that could be saved by substituting them for the TSA force we now have.....If anyone is dumb enough to try anything with less than a explosive device would be promptly be taken out by his/her fellow passengers, and if still alive upon landing would be taken in to custody.....

gojirasan Mar 11, 2011 4:32 pm

If this is all they end up doing then I totally agree that it is very disappointing and very lame, but my understanding is that they are still working on a bill to outlaw the sexual assaults. As for the focus on the genital gropes instead of the scanners, I don't see a huge problem with that as long as you can opt out of the nude scanners and not be patted down. Of course we know that's not going to happen. But it would leave AK TSOs with a difficult choice if the gropings were outlawed. After all you might beat the rap but you won't beat the ride. If the local PD was willing to enforce it, the law would have a significant effect I think. I'd love to see a TSO get tased for not obeying the cops order to leave the checkpoint with him.

I'd Rather Walk Mar 11, 2011 5:18 pm

They could go back to old pat downs which were more like pat downs than sexual assaults. AS for the resolution urging the Transportation Security Administration to reconsider its use of pat-down procedures, its more of the same thing that the sexual assault survivor organizations and some of the medical survivor groups did when this started. (Just a little more official). I'm sure that they will get a nice response that the TSA is sensitive, aware, and hope to have a solution at some point. (If your monitoring this sight TSA, I think I've got it down pat if you need another hack to do these letters).

ElizabethConley Mar 11, 2011 5:41 pm


Originally Posted by I'd Rather Walk (Post 16018925)
They could go back to old pat downs which were more like pat downs than sexual assaults. AS for the resolution urging the Transportation Security Administration to reconsider its use of pat-down procedures, its more of the same thing that the sexual assault survivor organizations and some of the medical survivor groups did when this started. (Just a little more official). I'm sure that they will get a nice response that the TSA is sensitive, aware, and hope to have a solution at some point. (If your monitoring this sight TSA, I think I've got it down pat if you need another hack to do these letters).


Nah, you're a mere piker. You gotta be able to throw around mealy-mouthed shlop about individual privacy vs national security, making anybody who objects seem like a prudish twit.

Fisher1949 Mar 11, 2011 6:20 pm

I'm not clear whether this is the measure that Cissna mentioned previously or just a test resolution to gauge support prior to introducing meaningful legislation akin to the NH & TX bills.

This is admittedly uncharted waters for states so perhaps she is hesitant to rush a bill to the floor.

I'll be very disappointed if she settles for a token measure after all she went through just to get home from Sea-Tac.

Mimi111 Mar 11, 2011 7:04 pm

The problem with the resolution as it stands, and if it is not being used to gauge a response, it that it does not address the scanners. Should something like this be accepted, it might simply result in no possibility of opting out, such as is the case in the UK. That said, scanner use in the UK is not even close to being at the same level as in the US.

n4zhg Mar 11, 2011 7:54 pm


Originally Posted by ElizabethConley (Post 16018184)
They're starting where they should. They need to fire that shot over the bow, just to make the issue crystal clear in everyones' minds.

When the strongest proponents of ending scope n' grope put forth more forceful legislation, they can point to this mild beginning and remind the faint of heart that they already tried "playing nice".

Sod that. We've been "playing nice" for the last five years, and all it's gotten us is more insanity.

Time to stop playing nice, and to give fair warning that the state laws will likely be followed by Committees of Vigilance if they don't stick. I don't want to see TSOs hanging from the lamp post in front of whatever hovel they've taken up residence in, but that's the way it's trending.


Originally Posted by sdtumbleweed (Post 16018504)
The least invasive (and probably more effective) would be explosive-sniffing dogs....

If only you could be sure that the dog's name isn't "Clever Hans". You might want to look into the false positive issue with drug and other law enforcement dogs.

loops Mar 11, 2011 8:16 pm


Originally Posted by n4zhg (Post 16019642)
If only you could be sure that the dog's name isn't "Clever Hans". You might want to look into the false positive issue with drug and other law enforcement dogs.

Speaking of dogs, am I the only one hopeful that this new dog in town might hunt some day? Any more news from Scotland?
http://www.cascade-technologies.com/...%20process.php


The technology would aid throughput by dramatically speeding up the screening of airport passengers. According to Erwan Normand, chief scientific officer at Cascade Technologies, QC-based systems have the capacity to screen one person per second, giving almost instantaneous results, and could be deployed in a portal or multi-portal configuration screening up to 100 per cent of passengers at walking speed.


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