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StayingHomeIsBetter Mar 10, 2011 9:38 am

A reason not to linger in the lav.
 
MODS... not DL specific, so move where you choose.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/27137202/detail.html

It's odd that I never realized that there were oxygen masks in the lavs. But then, a few weeks ago, I heard the FAs on several flights specifically mention their availability. Now they are all being removed... "for security reasons.":confused:

DLNYC Mar 10, 2011 9:46 am

So, what was the threat? Just brilliant. :rolleyes:

RatherBeOnATrain Mar 10, 2011 10:27 am


Originally Posted by DLNYC (Post 16009378)
So, what was the threat? Just brilliant. :rolleyes:

Oxygen is flammable.

Think of what could have happened had the shoe-bomber been smart enough to lock himself in the lavatory, where there was a convenient source of oxygen directly above him.

(Mods - this probably should be in the travel safety & security forum.)

RealHJ Mar 10, 2011 10:31 am


Originally Posted by DLNYC (Post 16009378)
So, what was the threat? Just brilliant. :rolleyes:

Pure oxygen is flammable, right? Someone could use a ligther (if they got one onboard - and it's not inconceivable someone might) to set it on fire and make a small mini-explosion, or just use a piece of wood and a stick and rub it really fast to make fire perhaps... don't know. But, oxygen is flammable, so...

DLNYC Mar 10, 2011 10:33 am


Originally Posted by RatherBeOnATrain (Post 16009673)
Oxygen is flammable.

Think of what could have happened had the shoe-bomber been smart enough to lock himself in the lavatory, where there was a convenient source of oxygen directly above him.

(Mods - this probably should be in the travel safety & security forum.)

Couldn't a pax on an empty redeye manage to manually deploy the oxygen masks above and quickly ignite?

Burj Mar 10, 2011 10:34 am

This was discussed over on airliners.net

Apparently there is a concern that someone could enter a lav and then access the oxygen generator (which besides oxygen produces a great amount of heat) for nefarious purposes...

So because of a possibility of something bad being done with them...an real and important safety device is being REMOVED...

DLNYC Mar 10, 2011 10:36 am


Originally Posted by Burj (Post 16009732)
This was discussed over on airliners.net

Apparently there is a concern that someone could enter a lav and then access the oxygen generator (which besides oxygen produces a great amount of heat) for nefarious purposes...

So because of a possibility of something bad being done with them...an real and important safety device is being REMOVED...

Oh so there is a separate oxygen generator in the lavs that I assume one could not access from overhead?

StayingHomeIsBetter Mar 10, 2011 10:41 am


Originally Posted by RatherBeOnATrain (Post 16009673)
Oxygen is flammable.

Think of what could have happened had the shoe-bomber been smart enough to lock himself in the lavatory, where there was a convenient source of oxygen directly above him.

(Mods - this probably should be in the travel safety & security forum.)

Not flammable... but it does greatly accelerate the rate of combustion of materials.

I could cite some other concerns, but why give anyone a road map?

I am left wondering whether the FA safety speeches will be revised to caution folks that there is no oxygen available in the lavs.

USAF_Pride Mar 10, 2011 10:45 am

Although, there have been times where an oxygen mask would have been handy in the lav. Wasn't me, but just saying!!

StayingHomeIsBetter Mar 10, 2011 10:46 am


Originally Posted by USAF_Pride (Post 16009822)
Although, there have been times where an oxygen mask would have been handy in the lav. Wasn't me, but just saying!!

I was wondering when this thread was going to veer of onto the scatological path.:D

Scott H Mar 10, 2011 10:46 am

Wow

Glad I'm a FT'er and "in the know"

USAF_Pride Mar 10, 2011 10:48 am


Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter (Post 16009835)
I was wondering when this thread was going to veer of onto the scatological path.:D

Glad I didn't let you down. I know I wasn't the only one thinking that :D

preadmor Mar 10, 2011 10:49 am


Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter (Post 16009801)
Not flammable... but it does greatly accelerate the rate of combustion of materials.

I could cite some other concerns, but why give anyone a road map?

I am left wondering whether the FA safety speeches will be revised to caution folks that there is no oxygen available in the lavs.

Thanks StayingHomeIsBetter. Let me expand on the 'flammability' of oxygen. Unlike other gases and chemicals, oxygen is not flammable. It is classified as an accelerator, meaning that if there is a fire and oxygen is present, the fire will burn. The more oxygen, the larger the fire and the faster it will spread. We are use to seeing fires burn in an atmosphere containing about 21 percent oxygen. Add more oxygen, the faster things burn. (is this a yawn icon? :o )

xolinlevh Mar 10, 2011 10:50 am

so if the pressure in the cabin drops, and your in the lav, wouldnt the pressure difference between the closed lav and the cabin create a large differential that would hold the door closed, preventing you from opening it easily in order to reach a mask outside the lav? Thereby ensuring that anyone IN the lav at the time will probably die?

peachfront Mar 10, 2011 10:57 am

i had to curtail my lav visits
 
It takes me about five minutes to brush my teeth. I guess it's neurotic but, hey, at least my dentist is happy. I've had the FAs pound on the lav door a few times in days gone by, but in recent years, I just get an extra cup and a second cup of water, and brush my teeth in my seat. Then all I have to do in the lav is quickly dump the spit in the cup into the sink or toilet, which takes just a couple seconds. By brushing my teeth more or less in public, I do get dirty looks from the poor guy in the middle seat, but I figure dirty looks from somebody who doesn't brush his teeth on a long flight, is preferable to scaring the bleep out of the FAs.

I sometimes get motion sick, on those occasions I let an FA know what's going on so she wouldn't be wondering and also so that she'll keep the rehydration (Coca-Cola) coming. I've gotten really good at managing it though, so it hasn't come up in awhile. I always carry motion sickness medication just in case; this plus Coca-Cola usually keeps me healthy.

Does the mention of Coke make this a Delta thread now? :-)


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