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ElizabethConley Feb 15, 2011 6:45 am


Originally Posted by Cartoon Peril (Post 15866776)
TSA seems to have a requirement that when undergoing the intrusive physical search, the arms be extended straight out and the arms be rotated so that the palms are up. See accounts here, here, and here (in comments), and here.

Extending the arms full out and rotating the palms up becomes tiring and painful. It must be particularly so for older persons. It would be much easier to hold the palms down with the arms extended.

What is the point of requiring this particular posture?

So that when the molestee ridge-hands the pervert's temple there is sufficient arc to lay the perp out cold with that blow alone. It could potentially save an expensive manicure. I hate it when I break a nail. Don't you?

ElizabethConley Feb 15, 2011 7:01 am


Originally Posted by polonius (Post 15866877)
It's a gesture of complete submission to the TSA and a sign that you unquestioningly accept the authority of their overlord, Osama bin Laden.

...and absolute proof that they haven't consulted the works of Sun Tzu. Their loss.

Global_Hi_Flyer Feb 15, 2011 7:37 am


Originally Posted by Cartoon Peril (Post 15866776)
Extending the arms full out and rotating the palms up becomes tiring and painful. It must be particularly so for older persons. It would be much easier to hold the palms down with the arms extended.

What is the point of requiring this particular posture?

Submission.

It's for the same reason that they make you assume the "arrest" posture. To remind you that you're inferior to their power.

ElizabethConley Feb 15, 2011 7:42 am


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 15867437)
Submission.

It's for the same reason that they make you assume the "arrest" posture. To remind you that you're inferior to their power.

Again, it just goes to highlight their vulnerability. The net effect is the opposite of what they intend. By revealing they need this, they reveal far too much.

SNA_Flyer Feb 15, 2011 10:25 am

I tell them I can't due to injury. And I don't lift them more than 1 foot away from my hips either. Also due to injury.

FriendlySkies Feb 15, 2011 10:35 am

During my last pat-down at SJC :rolleyes:, I had my palms facing down during the assault. Did not get any attitude from the clerk.

I could see myself smacking the clerk ;)

nachtnebel Feb 15, 2011 11:33 am


Originally Posted by ElizabethConley (Post 15867187)
So that when the molestee ridge-hands the pervert's temple there is sufficient arc to lay the perp out cold with that blow alone. It could potentially save an expensive manicure. I hate it when I break a nail. Don't you?

^^^
Depending on whether the perv is standing a tad in back of you, back fist would also be a reasonable technique....;)

PresRDC Feb 15, 2011 12:31 pm

Leaves you better positioned to give these scumbags the middle finger.

FaustsAccountant Feb 15, 2011 1:24 pm

You guys forgot "the answer to this question is SSI!"

Caradoc Feb 15, 2011 1:37 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 15867437)
Submission.

It's for the same reason that they make you assume the "arrest" posture. To remind you that you're inferior to their power.

I don't think so.

I think it comes down to some blue-shirted moron asking, "Well, the procedure calls for the potential terrorist to raise their arms, but it doesn't specify whether they should do so palms-up or palms-down," and getting a clarification of the procedure written and distributed without so much as a thought for whether the resulting position was comfortable or not.

Never attribute to evil what can be adequately explained by abject stupidity.

TheGolfWidow Feb 15, 2011 3:00 pm

Just do what you're told....we can't have the fares making these important decisions themselves.

ElizabethConley Feb 16, 2011 9:12 am


Originally Posted by FaustsAccountant (Post 15869819)
You guys forgot "the answer to this question is SSI!"

Thank you. How could I for even a moment lose sight of the sacrosanctness of Secret Squirrel Inanity.

A thousand humble apologies.

InkUnderNails Feb 16, 2011 10:18 am


Originally Posted by ElizabethConley (Post 15875285)
Thank you. How could I for even a moment lose sight of the sacrosanctness of Secret Squirrel Inanity.

A thousand humble apologies.

That explains a lot. I thought it was Simply Stupid Information.

goalie Feb 16, 2011 10:30 am


Why does TSA require palms be held up during search?
And lets not forget thumbs in vs thumbs out as I've been told to do both (and at the same airport no less) :rolleyes:

FriendlySkies Feb 16, 2011 10:33 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 15875802)
And lets not forget thumbs in vs thumbs out as I've been told to do both (and at the same airport no less) :rolleyes:

I bet that trying to get justification for that would result in the clerk exploding :rolleyes:


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