Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
(Post 15848451)
It's pointless.. Just like the clerks that pat-down bare arms/legs :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by LHR/MEL/Europe FF
(Post 15848498)
I would much rather have people's hair touched than risk explosives being carried on board under a wig/turban/other head covering.
Can someone please explain how else you check these places without touching them? No 'intimacy issue' is worth an explosive decompression at 35,000 feet, or death. It's irrelevant whether they have caught someone or not yet. We don't know when the first incident will happen. Perhaps the solution is to have a two tiered system. Planes with security, and planes without. I know which one I'd rather be on. And i know which one would make the more likely target for someone wishing to bring the plane down. I don't get the need to stroke someone's face though. I would still like to see the written links that the OP mentioned to see the circumstances under which this happened. I don't wear a turban, a hat, a wig, etc. I have long dark hair, clearly my own, growing out of my own scalp. :rolleyes: The OP talked about stroking hair, not turbans, etc. As to the rest of it, what kind of link do you want? I said it in my previous post. I have had the disgusting face stroke, on more than one occasion. You want me to create a web page or post a blog so you can read it instead of reading this post? Would that make it somehow more credible for you? :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by LHR/MEL/Europe FF
(Post 15848498)
, or death.
. Letting TSA abuse you sexually and in other ways will not prevent your death. |
Originally Posted by LHR/MEL/Europe FF
(Post 15848498)
I would much rather have people's hair touched than risk explosives being carried on board under a wig/turban/other head covering.
Can someone please explain how else you check these places without touching them? No 'intimacy issue' is worth an explosive decompression at 35,000 feet, or death. It's irrelevant whether they have caught someone or not yet. We don't know when the first incident will happen. Perhaps the solution is to have a two tiered system. Planes with security, and planes without. I know which one I'd rather be on. And i know which one would make the more likely target for someone wishing to bring the plane down. I don't get the need to stroke someone's face though. I would still like to see the written links that the OP mentioned to see the circumstances under which this happened. As it is now, you can have your choice, while I can not. |
Originally Posted by LHR/MEL/Europe FF
(Post 15848498)
I would much rather have people's hair touched than risk explosives being carried on board under a wig/turban/other head covering.
Can someone please explain how else you check these places without touching them? No 'intimacy issue' is worth an explosive decompression at 35,000 feet, or death. Do you have the same stance of other, much more significant risks in your life? For instance, if everyone was required to drive 10 mph on the freeway, there'd be far fewer fatal accidents. Even better, cars that go faster than 10 mph could be made illegal to sell or possess. After all, you're protecting the motoring public from a known risk (one of the biggest killers in the U.S.). Life involves risk. The risk of being blown up in an airplane was amazingly small before 9/11, it remains amazingly small. Common-sense airport security measures are fine, but strip-searching everyone and touching them in intimate and uncomfortable ways is not warranted given the risk.
Originally Posted by LHR/MEL/Europe FF
(Post 15848498)
Perhaps the solution is to have a two tiered system. Planes with security, and planes without. I know which one I'd rather be on. And i know which one would make the more likely target for someone wishing to bring the plane down.
Your suggestion is silly. Just because there are people that have a problem rationalizing risk doesn't mean that the rest of us have to suffer. |
Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
(Post 15848543)
I find myself in the odd position of agreeing with you. I, too, think it would nice to have security/no security choice. You and I would just end up on different flights.
As it is now, you can have your choice, while I can not. |
Originally Posted by PhoenixRev
(Post 15848232)
Imagine my confusion when they touch my shaved, bald head every time I get a selected for a secondary or opt out.
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Originally Posted by Mimi111
(Post 15848520)
Here we go again...I don't wear a turban, a hat, a wig, etc. I have long dark hair, clearly my own, growing out of my own scalp. :rolleyes: The OP talked about stroking hair, not turbans, etc.
As to the rest of it, what kind of link do you want? I said it in my previous post. I have had the disgusting face stroke, on more than one occasion. You want me to create a web page and post a blog so you can read it instead of reading this post? Would that make it somehow more credible for you? :rolleyes: The OP talked about stroking hair (etc) and [quote] numerous accounts of stroking faces. I would like to read those and see under what circumstances the events took place. I would like to ascertain the valididty of the claims. Sirdatary - while 10mph is slow, there are several european (scandinavian) countries where the metro speed limit is 20pkh, or around 13mph. Done for safety reasons. With heavy fines to back it up. The very clear difference is that a terrorist is making a concerted effort to harm me. My fellow road users are not. They could hide explosives internally, that is a risk. but i would prefer to fly knowing that the other risks 9hiding it under a wig, in underwear etc) are minimized. |
Originally Posted by LHR/MEL/Europe FF
(Post 15848694)
Mimi111 - my questions were directed to the OP.
The OP talked about stroking hair (etc) and numerous accounts of stroking faces. I would like to read those and see under what circumstances the events took place. I would like to ascertain the valididty of the claims. Sirdatary- while 10mph is slow, there are several european (scandinavian) countries where the metro speed limit is 20pkh, or around 13mph. Done for safety reasons. With heavy fines to back it up. The very clear difference is that a terrorist is making a concerted effort to harm me. My fellow road users are not. They could hide explosives internally, that is a risk. but i would prefer to fly knowing that the other risks 9hiding it under a wig, in underwear etc) are minimized. 1. Not understood what I said 2. Entirely dismissed it 3. Called me a liar Not sure which of the three it is but it doesn't really matter. I don't think you are in a position to judge another person's experiences or their reaction to them. The terrorists aren't making a concerted effort to harm you personally. Actually, they don't care about you. Often times it's about society as a whole, a way of life, in protest of a government or a nation's foreign policy, etc. The "terrorists" that TSA (by a TSOs own words and TSAs actions, don't interest them) are "protecting" you from, don't need to do a thing, they have already won. They have people running scared, being assaulted without protest, wasting their time, wasting their money, and giving up their rights. What they aim to do is change your way of life and scare you. Guess what, they did it. |
[QUOTE=LHR/MEL/Europe FF;15848694]Mimi111 - my questions were directed to the OP.
The OP talked about stroking hair (etc) and numerous accounts of stroking faces. I would like to read those and see under what circumstances the events took place. I would like to ascertain the valididty of the claims. Sirdatary - while 10mph is slow, there are several european (scandinavian) countries where the metro speed limit is 20pkh, or around 13mph. Done for safety reasons. With heavy fines to back it up. The very clear difference is that a terrorist is making a concerted effort to harm me. My fellow road users are not. They could hide explosives internally, that is a risk. but i would prefer to fly knowing that the other risks 9hiding it under a wig, in underwear etc) are minimized. If terrorists want to attack and kill, they can pretty much pick their target here. Enjoy your delusions of safety. Maybe you'll prove us wrong and live forever. I myself couldn't look in the mirror if I did what you folks do to other people. |
Originally Posted by LHR/MEL/Europe FF
(Post 15848694)
Sirdatary - while 10mph is slow, there are several european (scandinavian) countries where the metro speed limit is 20pkh, or around 13mph. Done for safety reasons. With heavy fines to back it up.
Originally Posted by LHR/MEL/Europe FF
(Post 15848694)
The very clear difference is that a terrorist is making a concerted effort to harm me. My fellow road users are not. They could hide explosives internally, that is a risk. but i would prefer to fly knowing that the other risks 9hiding it under a wig, in underwear etc) are minimized.
See my above examples above... malls, schools, sporting events, apartment complexes, public transportation. Tell me... do all the passengers on the London Underground get put through the nude-o-scope and get their faces, hair, and genitals caressed? |
Originally Posted by sirdatary
(Post 15848754)
Tell me... do all the passengers on the London Underground get put through the nude-o-scope and get their faces, hair, and genitals caressed?
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Originally Posted by nachtnebel
(Post 15848401)
again, does anyone do this besides the TSA? what a sick bunch.
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Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
(Post 15848543)
I, too, think it would nice to have security/no security choice. You and I would just end up on different flights.
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Originally Posted by exbayern
(Post 15848775)
Well, look at all the changes which were put in place on the Tube system after 7/7....
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