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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 15750004)

Didn't seem to bother TSA much seeing how they detained a lady for nearly and hour and TSA, according to Blogger Bob Burns, calls that "Proper Procedure".

Isn't she suing them, though? I believe she said she was bringing a tort claim against them, which could involve her detention.

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Originally Posted by WhyNotKnow (Post 15750169)

The holding pens are removed when the AITs are install since there isn't room for both. The holding pens are primarily used with the WTMDs for passengers who alarm so there is a positive hand off. Without them the WTMD Officer would have to stop the line to pass off the passenger for secondary screening. They are used to prevent breaches which cost not only airlines but passengers money.

Airports around the world manage this without glass "holding pens". I've set off the WTMD (due to a hip implant) in SYD, MEL, CBR, AKL, NRT, HKG, SIN, ZRH, GVA, FCO (...) and

NOT

ONE

OF

THEM

put me in a glass booth so I couldn't "escape" while waiting for my patdown. :rolleyes:

NOT ONE.

In every single case*, the WTMD person said, "Just stand here", motioned to one side, called for someone to either do the patdown or to take over WTMD so she could do the patdown, and just got on with it. No silly mat with footprints, no waiting 5, 10, 30 minutes. If Australia, NZ, Europe and Asia can all handle this, what the he|| is wrong with the USA? (Don't answer that, we don't have time for the full list. :eek:)

*I tell a lie. In NRT, the apologetic young lady gave me a chair where I remained while she ran my shoes through the WTMD, got my patdown and put my shoes back on. :)

My insulin pump regularly alarms the WTMD. Every airport I've gone through, the screener behind the WTMD is the one who carries out the pat-down. If they are the "wrong" sex, they call someone over, usually from an adjacent line. I've never waited more than a few seconds.
Even in the US it's worked that way in the few airports I've been through (IAD, JFK, SEA)

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Originally Posted by Ellie M (Post 15751557)

Isn't she suing them, though? I believe she said she was bringing a tort claim against them, which could involve her detention.

As far as I know no case has been filed in a federal court.

There may be several layers of administrative processes to wade through to attempt resolution before going to court.

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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 15752796)

As far as I know no case has been filed in a federal court.

There may be several layers of administrative processes to wade through to attempt resolution before going to court.

Yes---she said she is going through the administrative process and then plans on filing suit. She has filed a tort claim (part of the administrative process). http://mothering.com/all-things-moth.../stacey-armato I have no idea what's in that tort claim, but if it has something to do with unlawful detention, that could conceivably have something to do with TSA's decision to get rid of the glass boxes. At the least it could explain why Blogger Bob said what happened was "proper procedure" when it was not.

There is a good look at the BNA cage provided by the OP of this thread in the YouTube video.

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Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 15751778)

(Don't answer that...)

I have read here several times that what occurs outside the US is 'not relevant'.

Being highly claustrophobic, and having been stuffed in the box to be joined by 4-5 other women, I suspect that at least someone somewhere in a US airport has had a panic attack in the box.