House Dem Leader Calls For Special TSA Treatment for Congress
Jan 10, 2011, 8:58 am
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There are plenty of things to be angry at the federal government for. This isn't it. This is just ill informed... ...The only power grab would be if the federal government decided to take over the prosecution of state crimes from Arizona. It would also be unconstitutional.
+1 on what GUWonder wrote.
+1 on what GUWonder wrote.
It sounded like a good idea when it was made a federal crime to assault federal employees -
except that assaulting people is already illegal.
Now we have significant differences in how the defense of the rights of each is addressed.
Have you ever noticed that it can take quite a bit of time for a criminal to face trial for crimes in another state if he is charged with crimes in the state he happens to be detained in? Who gets first dibs on this criminal - the Feds or the State?
That's just one example.
There are 2nd, 3rd and further order effects to each new bit of legislation. Some of them have had the effect of making individual citizen's rights a distant second to the Federal Government's perceived self-interest. Examine a bit of legislation independently, and it looks fine. Put it into practice, and the problems become apparent.
You think the only solution is to make murder a Federal offense. I see lots of solutions. The Feds could agree to let the state prosecute first or the Federal Laws could be removed on various grounds. There are lots of solutions. In general, I prefer fewer laws and favor States' rights, so I'm bound to prefer those solutions. Others would no doubt pose solutions that would never occur to either of us.
I don't like to belabor points ad nauseum, so this is my last post on the matter. To me, enough is enough.
Jan 10, 2011, 9:11 am
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What bugs me about the Tucson murders is that the perpetrator hasn't been charged for murdering the child or the two retirees yet, nor assaults against the 13 other people who were merely wounded. I read this in a blog, and thought that surely this was nonsense. Then I checked various news sites. I find no mention of murder charges or charges stemming from assault with a deadly weapon.
"Jared Loughner faces one count of attempted assassination of a member of Congress, two counts of killing an employee of the federal government and two counts of attempting to kill a federal employee."
Giffords still clings to life. The child, the judge and the retirees are dead. I'm finding the lack of charges against Loughner for the assaults and murders to be extremely creepy, if true.
From what I've read, Laughner was and is crazy. His obsession with Grammar coupled with his inability to compose a coherent sentence speak to his literally "disordered" mind. The poor lad was nuts. In spite of this, political ideologues of all stripes have tried to tar their opponents with responsibility for Laughner's acts. On top of that, a congressman wants to use this tragedy to leverage his own escape from TSA scope n' grope checkpoints?
I'm sorry, but Laughner's insanity doesn't have anything to do with politics, although the Federal response does illustrate how little the Federal Government cares about American Citizens.
It's ordinary American Citizens who suffered the brunt of Laughner's attack. It's ordinary American citizens who are the least defended and protected by Federal Law and Federal Agencies. It's ordinary American citizens who will suffer the consequences if Laughner's acts of insanity are used to justify further civil rights abuses. It's ordinary American citizens who will be left alone to endure the current DHS/TSA civil rights abuses if Federal employees manage to use Laughner's acts of insanity to exempt themselves from airport insecurity checkpoints. (Yes, I meant insecurity.)
Enough already. Laughner attacked, maimed and murdered ordinary American citizens, and the Federal Government couldn't care less.
The Federal Government seems to have forgotten its purpose, as well as the identity of their employer.
"Jared Loughner faces one count of attempted assassination of a member of Congress, two counts of killing an employee of the federal government and two counts of attempting to kill a federal employee."
Giffords still clings to life. The child, the judge and the retirees are dead. I'm finding the lack of charges against Loughner for the assaults and murders to be extremely creepy, if true.
From what I've read, Laughner was and is crazy. His obsession with Grammar coupled with his inability to compose a coherent sentence speak to his literally "disordered" mind. The poor lad was nuts. In spite of this, political ideologues of all stripes have tried to tar their opponents with responsibility for Laughner's acts. On top of that, a congressman wants to use this tragedy to leverage his own escape from TSA scope n' grope checkpoints?
I'm sorry, but Laughner's insanity doesn't have anything to do with politics, although the Federal response does illustrate how little the Federal Government cares about American Citizens.
It's ordinary American Citizens who suffered the brunt of Laughner's attack. It's ordinary American citizens who are the least defended and protected by Federal Law and Federal Agencies. It's ordinary American citizens who will suffer the consequences if Laughner's acts of insanity are used to justify further civil rights abuses. It's ordinary American citizens who will be left alone to endure the current DHS/TSA civil rights abuses if Federal employees manage to use Laughner's acts of insanity to exempt themselves from airport insecurity checkpoints. (Yes, I meant insecurity.)
Enough already. Laughner attacked, maimed and murdered ordinary American citizens, and the Federal Government couldn't care less.
The Federal Government seems to have forgotten its purpose, as well as the identity of their employer.
Jan 10, 2011, 9:12 am
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“We’ve had some incidents where TSA authorities think that congresspeople should be treated like everybody else,” he said. “Well, the fact of the matter is, we are held to a higher standard in so many other areas, and I think we need to take a hard look at exactly how the TSA interact with members of Congress.”.
Jan 10, 2011, 9:26 am
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Frankly, I'm having trouble understanding your arguments at all, other than you are angry at the federal government. For something. Or everything.
To bring this back to the topic, I find it wrong to use this tragedy as a justification for unrelated issues. Both using it to complain about the federal government's overreach, which is a legitimate complaint (although not when using incorrect facts). And even more so by Clyborn using it to try and get out of the invasive screening that his constituents are subject to.
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Jan 10, 2011, 9:47 am
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Jan 10, 2011, 9:52 am
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That's correct. In nearly every case where there's a multiple shooting, they'll charge for certain murders but not others -- a holdback, just in case they need it.
Jan 10, 2011, 10:23 am
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One, the murder of a MOC and a Federal Judge I would think would be charged in Federal Court. The other 4 murders including the young girl I believe will have charges brought forth in State court.
Who is sorry that Arizonia is a death penalty state?
I only ask that the prosecurtors don't foul up and invalidate the filings.
Jan 10, 2011, 11:08 am
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A top House Democrat said the attack on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) should change how members of Congress are screened at airports.
*and where do you draw the line, Mr. Clyburn? Only elected Federal officials? Only federally elected Democrats? How about Repulicans? Just Senators? Just Congressional Representatives? Or better yet, how about the dog catcher from east podunk as after all, he/she was elected as well. Sheesh, what putz
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Jan 14, 2011, 6:42 am
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...and where do you draw the line, Mr. Clyburn? Only elected Federal officials? Only federally elected Democrats? How about Repulicans? Just Senators? Just Congressional Representatives? Or better yet, how about the dog catcher from east podunk as after all, he/she was elected as well. Sheesh, what putz .
.According to data from the Bureau of Labor, those precautions are probably justifiable so long as social workers and primary school teachers get to skip TSA pat-downs, bus drivers and animal trainers are given security details and health-care professionals are allowed to work with patients from behind three inches of shatter-proof glass.
As for salesmen, retail workers and their managers, they should all be issued a concealed-carry permit.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/14/co...#ixzz1B16w9DUv
Jan 14, 2011, 8:12 am
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And not to be indelicate, I find that removing all underwear before flying makes it easier for them to get a good look and a good feel. I hope they find it as gross as I find the so-called security. It saves the matron from making a deep dive into my drawers looking for dynamite. I'm flying through smaller airports every chance I get. Nashville has groped me every week now for four weeks running...guess it really is a "friendly music city"
Jan 14, 2011, 8:57 am
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Threats and attacks are serious concerns, but are they serious enough to justify special treatment at already-well-secured airports because some lawmakers feel “ill-at-ease” around the general public?
According to data from the Bureau of Labor, those precautions are probably justifiable so long as social workers and primary school teachers get to skip TSA pat-downs, bus drivers and animal trainers are given security details and health-care professionals are allowed to work with patients from behind three inches of shatter-proof glass.
As for salesmen, retail workers and their managers, they should all be issued a concealed-carry permit.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/14/co...#ixzz1B16w9DUv
According to data from the Bureau of Labor, those precautions are probably justifiable so long as social workers and primary school teachers get to skip TSA pat-downs, bus drivers and animal trainers are given security details and health-care professionals are allowed to work with patients from behind three inches of shatter-proof glass.
As for salesmen, retail workers and their managers, they should all be issued a concealed-carry permit.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/14/co...#ixzz1B16w9DUv
Jan 14, 2011, 10:51 am
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Your point of view is different than mine, there are viable reasons for what TSA does, I have seen both sides of the story, seen the screening protocols that are in the SOP and are done here everyday, and there is no lying from my view. I disagree with things at work sometimes, have you ever had a job where you agreed with every single thing you had to do every single day? If you have, kudos and I hope it pays the bills for you and stay there as long as you can, because you are in a tiny minority.
Actually this is almost universally true for all liars. (and we all lie sometime) When people lie, they almost always find a way to justify the lie. If they can't justify the line they'll insert an "escape clause" into the phrase. Example "I'm pretty sure that banning water improves our security by 300%" - Can you see the "escape clause" there that lets the liar off the hook?
"have you ever had a job where you agreed with every single thing you had to do every single day".
NOPE. But I only stay at jobs where I can point out that the task is wrong and either correct it myself, or after I point it out management corrects it. No way would I stay somewhere we we continuing do stupid things where management and employees are powerless to do the right thing. I have more respect for my brain than that.
It sounds like your the one that has given up and resigned yourself to doing a meaningless job.
I'm sure you have your reasons. If it weren't for the fact that TSOs perform such reprehensible acts on innocent people, you would also have my sympathy.
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