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-   -   MCO Testing Random Groping through WTMD (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/practical-travel-safety-security-issues/1161605-mco-testing-random-groping-through-wtmd.html)

VegasCableGuy Dec 18, 2010 10:55 pm
This has been going on in LAS. One of my recent trips the woman behind me got beeped by the WTMD and the TSO called out for assist, "RANDOM!".

TSOs emptied out the passengers carry-on bag and were in the process of giving her the full grope when I left the CP.

FriendlySkies Dec 18, 2010 10:57 pm
Originally Posted by VegasCableGuy (Post 15479162)
This has been going on in LAS. One of my recent trips the woman behind me got beeped by the WTMD and the TSO called out for assist, "RANDOM!".

TSOs emptied out the passengers carry-on bag and were in the process of giving her the full grope when I left the CP.
Emptying the carry-on? :mad:

That doesn't even happen during the opt-out pat-down

VegasCableGuy Dec 18, 2010 11:59 pm
Originally Posted by FriendlySkies (Post 15479169)
Emptying the carry-on? :mad:

That doesn't even happen during the opt-out pat-down
I'm going to assume that since this is (or was) a testing phase, those TSOs likely didn't know much about what they were supposed to do with the randoms. My limited experience with TSA trials tells me that TSOs don't really have a clue with the new stuff. Two of three opt-outs I've done were pretty much as expected, but one (during the 'enhanced' testing phase) was way out of line.

Unless that random selector hits infrequently, there's no way they'll have the manpower to do full bag searches on each one like this. Another possibility is that there was something in her bag they saw on xray and it had nothing to do with the selection.

Any way you look at it, gropes are always going to be a possibility whether we go thru WBI lanes or not. :(

MikeMpls Dec 19, 2010 12:41 am
Originally Posted by VegasCableGuy (Post 15479162)
This has been going on in LAS. One of my recent trips the woman behind me got beeped by the WTMD and the TSO called out for assist, "RANDOM!".

TSOs emptied out the passengers carry-on bag and were in the process of giving her the full grope when I left the CP.
Great, makes me even gladder that we are on our last trip for quite a while, at least the last one that will originate or terminate in the U.S.

On the other hand, this is a good move -- the sooner they grope those Kettles that fly ever other year, the faster their "80%" approval rating will nosedive.

We will win this one grope at a time.

sbagdon Dec 19, 2010 4:03 am
Originally Posted by HackyMcHack (Post 15479036)
TOL has just one security line ... they're down to five flights a day between AA and DL, with Allegiant providing service a few times per week.

To date, TOL is the only place (out of nine airports I have dealt with since 9/11) where I have received additional screening (randomized once through the WTMD, checked bag note once, SSSSed once). TOL lost my business after my SSSS experience ... and the guy in the photo (who oversees the airport for the port authority) can't figure out why the airport has lost two-thirds of its business in recent years.
There's some Class IV airports out there that you just have to wonder about the $200k+ (with install) cost.

mozgytog Dec 19, 2010 6:23 am
Originally Posted by slh14 (Post 15478530)
"Step into the new full-body scanner at Toledo Express Airport and you'll be asked to raise your hands above your head like a football referee signaling a touchdown."

A football referee signaling a touchdown??? HA HA HA!!! :rolleyes: How about a criminal surrendering?
That's not the signal for a touchdown, anyway.

mozgytog Dec 19, 2010 6:24 am
Originally Posted by FriendlySkies (Post 15479169)
Emptying the carry-on? :mad:

That doesn't even happen during the opt-out pat-down
It happened to me on a slow day at PIT when I pissed them off by opting out.

Caradoc Dec 19, 2010 6:38 am
Originally Posted by Flahusky (Post 15477181)
Seems all of them are capable of doing a random selection and flashing a light to signal the person watching that you are the 'winner'.
And according to some reports, not so random.

goalie Dec 19, 2010 11:35 am
Originally Posted by FriendlySkies (Post 15477024)
Saw this sign up at the checkpoint this morning... I'm wondering if they are testing it in the lanes with out the backscatter..

http://friendlyskies.smugmug.com/pho...44_TEgGd-L.jpg
And I automatically opt out if the additional screening includes an imaging machine ;)

FliesWay2Much Dec 19, 2010 4:54 pm
"Thank you for your participation in our evaluation..." What a crock -- as if we had a choice.


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