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Grounds for search AFTER the checkpoint
... what are they?
I can see: 1. administrative search, carried out by TSA or cops, limited exclusively to the minimum necessary to detect weapons or explosives, because they have reason to believe they may have missed something at the checkpoint 2. US territory entry/exit search, carried out by CBP, to do whatever the hell they want 3. police search, carried out by cops, in the usual Terry stop / incident to arrest / consensual trichotomy that applies outside of airports Is there something else? |
I'd add, Because they can.. Don't like it, don't fly :rolleyes: :mad:
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Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
(Post 15406469)
I'd add, Because they can.. Don't like it, don't fly :rolleyes: :mad:
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If you are looking for legal authority for search beyond the checkpoint, it's here: 49 U.S.C. § 44901 : US Code - Section 44901: Screening passengers and property
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Originally Posted by saizai
(Post 15406351)
... what are they?
I can see: 1. administrative search, carried out by TSA or cops, limited exclusively to the minimum necessary to detect weapons or explosives, because they have reason to believe they may have missed something at the checkpoint 2. US territory entry/exit search, carried out by CBP, to do whatever the hell they want 3. police search, carried out by cops, in the usual Terry stop / incident to arrest / consensual trichotomy that applies outside of airports Is there something else? FB |
I verbalize my understanding of the sterile area in that you are allowed to have an administrative search performed on you or your items at any time, whether attempting to enter the sterile area (checkpoint), or being in the sterile area (airside). This includes random pat-downs, bag searches, explosives testing, gate searches, and any other searches they wish to do, all performed by the TSA.
Everything that takes place at the checkpoint can be performed on you at any time, any place, in any way, and probably some things we never imagined, once you choose to be in the sterile area. It's a different world in there, then most pax are used to. :) |
Originally Posted by sbagdon
(Post 15422146)
I verbalize my understanding of the sterile area in that you are allowed to have an administrative search performed on you or your items at any time, whether attempting to enter the sterile area (checkpoint), or being in the sterile area (airside). This includes random pat-downs, bag searches, explosives testing, gate searches, and any other searches they wish to do, all performed by the TSA.
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Originally Posted by dagowolf
(Post 15422261)
Which has always begged the question, if you are screened when you enter 'sterile' and all goods and workers are supposedly screened (whether via machines or background checks), then aren't these searches tantamount to admission by the TSA that their primary screening is excessively flawed?
I wouldn't say "excessively". Yet enough to start the debate. There's a defense for refusing a gate search. "you are hence admitting that your checkpoint security is inadequate, which makes me feel unsafe enough to decide not to fly. you may not search me, I'm leaving now, go find an LEO to escort me out". |
Originally Posted by BarbiJKM
(Post 15421732)
If you are looking for legal authority for search beyond the checkpoint, it's here: 49 U.S.C. § 44901 : US Code - Section 44901: Screening passengers and property
Like so many things about the TSA (possibly everything) it needs to be argued in a court. Unless it already has been and I missed it. |
A Terry search inside the sterile area would be almost impossible to justify. An officer can only perform a Terry search if he has some reason to suspect that you are armed. I'd replace 3 with "probable cause by an LEO."
Originally Posted by saizai
(Post 15406351)
3. police search, carried out by cops, in the usual Terry stop / incident to arrest / consensual trichotomy that applies outside of airports
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I have maintained for some time (as my personal opinion, not my professional one), that there is no constitutional authorization of searches within the sterile area.
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In Florida v. J.L. (2000), the Supreme Court suggested in dicta that an anonymous tip of a person with a firearm in a school or in an airport, or a person carrying a bomb would be sufficient to conduct a Terry Stop and Frisk.
A Terry search inside the sterile area would be almost impossible to justify. An officer can only perform a Terry search if he has some reason to suspect that you are armed. I'd replace 3 with "probable cause by an LEO." |
Originally Posted by nasa808
(Post 15422824)
In Florida v. J.L. (2000), the Supreme Court suggested in dicta that an anonymous tip of a person with a firearm in a school or in an airport, or a person carrying a bomb would be sufficient to conduct a Terry Stop and Frisk.
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Originally Posted by Wally Bird
(Post 15424265)
Screeners do not have the power to perform a Terry stop.
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Originally Posted by Wally Bird
(Post 15424265)
Screeners do not have the power to perform a Terry stop.
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