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-   -   Poll: two flights NY to DC, with and without security (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/practical-travel-safety-security-issues/1155368-poll-two-flights-ny-dc-without-security.html)

Flahusky Dec 2, 2010 5:07 pm

WITHOUT

birdstrike Dec 2, 2010 5:19 pm

Having a grasp of mathematics, I would say without. I do far more dangerous things every day.

Nonetheless, I agree with other posters that even a minuscule risk can be made substantially smaller by pre 9/11 style security. Pre 9/11 security was there to benefit the airlines, not the passengers, and I think that is fair.

magiciansampras Dec 2, 2010 5:44 pm


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 15369824)
Having a grasp of mathematics, I would say without. I do far more dangerous things every day.

I don't think that's good analysis. The math is based on current security measures. We don't know what the math would look like with no security. @:-)

Oxb Dec 2, 2010 6:02 pm

WITHOUT


if the missing option of pre 9/11/01 was available I could go for that. Either is better than the current process of virtual disrobing and/or groping, deshoeing, dewatering and delousing and the rest of the BS.

birdstrike Dec 2, 2010 6:14 pm


Originally Posted by magiciansampras (Post 15369938)
I don't think that's good analysis. The math is based on current security measures. We don't know what the math would look like with no security. @:-)

I think we can get pretty close. You can extrapolate all the successful attempts on currently unprotected assets to potential attempts on air travel, then factor in the total number of historic attacks overall (USS Cole, et al.)

InkUnderNails Dec 2, 2010 6:38 pm


Originally Posted by MarkXS (Post 15369722)
False Dichotomy/Strawman.

I just love when people use big words.

Oh, Without.

Anubis79 Dec 2, 2010 6:42 pm

Without.

Melatonin Dec 2, 2010 6:46 pm

Without.

kanyewesttx Dec 2, 2010 6:51 pm

really?
 
WITH


ppl in this forum cannot answer a simple question... no ones going to take ur what ever "right" away if u answer with a simple with or without... its just a question.. :)

rgfloor Dec 2, 2010 7:00 pm


Originally Posted by jfunk138 (Post 15367492)
He agreed I was right and then resorted to the favorite: "you don't have a right to fly, if you don't like it, take the bus"


And I have often said, "offer air travel with realistic security, Let's say 01/01/2001 style." Then if you are afraid to fly like that......."well, take the bus!"

RadioGirl Dec 2, 2010 8:09 pm


Originally Posted by kanyewesttx (Post 15370286)
WITH


ppl in this forum cannot answer a simple question... no ones going to take ur what ever "right" away if u answer with a simple with or without... its just a question.. :)

Because sometimes "a simple question" is a setup. Here's a simple question: Is it better to take a gunshot to the head, or through the heart? What do you think? I mean, it's just a question, right? :rolleyes:

The answer is: neither one of those is a good option. If you insist that people choose one or the other, and more people say "head", does that mean you can then report that "most people like getting shot in the head"?

The OP is likely setting up to use this thread to say "most people on TS&S don't want any airport security at all". Which is not true. TSA uses polls where people are offered the choice between the body scanner and an invasive patdown to claim that that "most people like the body scanners." Also not true.

My vote: this poll is flawed.

jfunk138 Dec 2, 2010 8:11 pm


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 15369565)
Wirelessly posted (Motorola DynaTAC: BlackBerry9630/5.0.0.624 Profile/MIDP-2.1 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/104)



A while back essxjay posted a trip report, but I can't do a decent search from my phone.

Impossible! Surely a plane without TSA screening would immediately explode? :rolleyes:

Kiwi Flyer Dec 3, 2010 12:18 pm

Bump for poll added.

beauvoir Dec 3, 2010 12:41 pm

I prefer a 1 in 500 million chance of being victim of a terrorist attack to a 1 to 1 chance of being x-rayed and/or groped.

Besides, the real security from terrorism comes from investigation and intelligence, not looking at naked hotties or groping grandma.

imm2b Dec 3, 2010 2:00 pm

Poll is flawed, but medal detector is good enough for me, no groping please.


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