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-   -   Poll: two flights NY to DC, with and without security (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/practical-travel-safety-security-issues/1155368-poll-two-flights-ny-dc-without-security.html)

RadioGirl Dec 2, 2010 8:09 pm

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Originally Posted by kanyewesttx (Post 15370286)
WITH


ppl in this forum cannot answer a simple question... no ones going to take ur what ever "right" away if u answer with a simple with or without... its just a question.. :)

Because sometimes "a simple question" is a setup. Here's a simple question: Is it better to take a gunshot to the head, or through the heart? What do you think? I mean, it's just a question, right? :rolleyes:

The answer is: neither one of those is a good option. If you insist that people choose one or the other, and more people say "head", does that mean you can then report that "most people like getting shot in the head"?

The OP is likely setting up to use this thread to say "most people on TS&S don't want any airport security at all". Which is not true. TSA uses polls where people are offered the choice between the body scanner and an invasive patdown to claim that that "most people like the body scanners." Also not true.

My vote: this poll is flawed.

jfunk138 Dec 2, 2010 8:11 pm

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Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 15369565)
Wirelessly posted (Motorola DynaTAC: BlackBerry9630/5.0.0.624 Profile/MIDP-2.1 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/104)



A while back essxjay posted a trip report, but I can't do a decent search from my phone.

Impossible! Surely a plane without TSA screening would immediately explode? :rolleyes:

Kiwi Flyer Dec 3, 2010 12:18 pm

Bump for poll added.

beauvoir Dec 3, 2010 12:41 pm

I prefer a 1 in 500 million chance of being victim of a terrorist attack to a 1 to 1 chance of being x-rayed and/or groped.

Besides, the real security from terrorism comes from investigation and intelligence, not looking at naked hotties or groping grandma.

imm2b Dec 3, 2010 2:00 pm

Poll is flawed, but medal detector is good enough for me, no groping please.

janetdoe Dec 3, 2010 5:47 pm

The poster explained his reason for picking the specific two options he chose. It is a thought experiment. It is designed to distinguish between an 'anything for security' versus an 'anything for liberty' attitude, and there is no middle ground. Or course the vast majority of Americans would take the middle ground if given a choice...

Although I have a different bone to pick:

If the option of 'no security' means that there is exactly one flight (per month, per year, ever) with no security, then, I'll take today's security.

If the option of 'no security' means a sizable proportion of flights between these cities (or indeed, throughout the US) will have no security, then I will take no security.

It's the difference between being a needle in a haystack and a needle on a bare concrete floor.

But since I would never fly from NY to DC, who cares? ;)

dstan Dec 3, 2010 5:49 pm

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Originally Posted by myadvice (Post 15367173)
False Choice: "Choose between no security and intrusive security."

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkXS (Post 15369722)
False Dichotomy/Strawman.

Indeed. a.k.a. False Dilemma.

LuvAirFrance Dec 4, 2010 1:40 am

Sigh. Don't want the security, but I do want the boots and miniskirts back.


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