TSA Policy for Double Opt-Outs
Nov 22, 2010, 9:30 pm
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TSA Policy for Double Opt-Outs
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flying...-thanksgiving/
This blog has the scoop on what TSA will announce tomorrow about people who opt-out of AIT and then try to opt-out of the pat down.
This blog has the scoop on what TSA will announce tomorrow about people who opt-out of AIT and then try to opt-out of the pat down.
Nov 22, 2010, 9:36 pm
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They saved the best until the last paragraph:
So for those of you who intend to refuse a pat down and leave with no argument and peacefully … there will be no US$11,000 fine for your actions. This new policy may also give the TSA additional 4th Amendment wiggle room in allowing people to refuse the pat downs without legal consequences.
Nov 22, 2010, 9:37 pm
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Oh this oughta be rich.
Pissy is trying to find away to exert his authority and not cave in to us while at the same time being able to say that he gave us a choice. This will work for about a week in my estimation. After their bellies are full of turkey and egg nog, Americans will still go back to saying (and more loudly than ever):
"We will NOT be radiated by our government"
and
"We will NOT allow your hands in our pants under the false premise of security".
Pissy is trying to find away to exert his authority and not cave in to us while at the same time being able to say that he gave us a choice. This will work for about a week in my estimation. After their bellies are full of turkey and egg nog, Americans will still go back to saying (and more loudly than ever):
"We will NOT be radiated by our government"
and
"We will NOT allow your hands in our pants under the false premise of security".
Last edited by TXagogo; Nov 22, 2010 at 9:37 pm Reason: typo
Nov 22, 2010, 9:37 pm
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This policy is for all pat down refusals. Not just opt out refusals.
You alarm on the WTMD and refuse the pat down ... buh-bye.
I have been posting a few policies and security directives before they are public ... this one leaves a few gaps that need to be answered. Such as ... if I am at PHL and refuse at Terminal B, what is to stop me from reentering at Terminal C and walking to my gate?
Happy Flying!
You alarm on the WTMD and refuse the pat down ... buh-bye.
I have been posting a few policies and security directives before they are public ... this one leaves a few gaps that need to be answered. Such as ... if I am at PHL and refuse at Terminal B, what is to stop me from reentering at Terminal C and walking to my gate?
Happy Flying!
Why not have a LEO go after the pax?
Nov 22, 2010, 9:42 pm
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Nov 22, 2010, 9:42 pm
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Honestly - at this point - as much as I want to see my friends/family and eat turkey - I am beginning to care less if they evacuate the terminal and I miss my flight. Let em do it. Let's make this whole situation an even bigger debacle than it already is. Maybe open some more people's eyes to the bullying that we are enduring.
I will be able to look back on this proudly and say I was there protesting for freedom while my niece and nephew look at pictures one day and say "Did they really used to do that in airports? Wow, could you imaging if they tried that today??"
I will be able to look back on this proudly and say I was there protesting for freedom while my niece and nephew look at pictures one day and say "Did they really used to do that in airports? Wow, could you imaging if they tried that today??"
Nov 22, 2010, 9:43 pm
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I read it that way at first, but actually I think it says any attempt to go toward the gate area. It's not really clear but it appears that they're saying if you try to go toward the gate instead of leaving with the escorts, the checkpoint will be shut down.
Nov 22, 2010, 9:45 pm
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Yeah THAT will work well for the TSA.
"There was a security breach, we HAD to clear the entire terminal!"
"Where was the breach?"
"In the line!"
"You mean... with all the OTHER un-screened passengers?"
"Yes!"
And so on.
"There was a security breach, we HAD to clear the entire terminal!"
"Where was the breach?"
"In the line!"
"You mean... with all the OTHER un-screened passengers?"
"Yes!"
And so on.
Nov 22, 2010, 9:46 pm
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As I read it (bolding mine)
So merely trying to re-enter the checkpoint (to hope for a non-NoS lane?) won't trigger the shutdown. The shutdown is if you try to enter the secure area without having been screened. And the terminal evac is based on TSA/LEO discretion, which presumably means it'll happen if you get out of sight, but not if an LEO is able to stop you.
None of this is new, that's the way it's been for years.
All that's new is the clarification about how you'll be escorted out, and the fact that there won;t be a fine just for refusal.
If any person who has refused a pat down makes any attempt to go towards the gate area the TSA security checkpoint will be immediately shut down. The shutting down of a security checkpoint may result in a passenger evacuation of a terminal due to a security breach. Any evacuation of passengers would be based on a threat assessment at the discretion of the TSA and law enforcement at the terminal.
None of this is new, that's the way it's been for years.
All that's new is the clarification about how you'll be escorted out, and the fact that there won;t be a fine just for refusal.
Nov 22, 2010, 9:48 pm
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As I read it (bolding mine)
So merely trying to re-enter the checkpoint (to hope for a non-NoS lane?) won't trigger the shutdown. The shutdown is if you try to enter the secure area without having been screened. And the terminal evac is based on TSA/LEO discretion, which presumably means it'll happen if you get out of sight, but not if an LEO is able to stop you.
None of this is new, that's the way it's been for years.
All that's new is the clarification about how you'll be escorted out, and the fact that there won;t be a fine just for refusal.
So merely trying to re-enter the checkpoint (to hope for a non-NoS lane?) won't trigger the shutdown. The shutdown is if you try to enter the secure area without having been screened. And the terminal evac is based on TSA/LEO discretion, which presumably means it'll happen if you get out of sight, but not if an LEO is able to stop you.
None of this is new, that's the way it's been for years.
All that's new is the clarification about how you'll be escorted out, and the fact that there won;t be a fine just for refusal.
Nov 22, 2010, 9:49 pm
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As I read it (bolding mine)
So merely trying to re-enter the checkpoint (to hope for a non-NoS lane?) won't trigger the shutdown. The shutdown is if you try to enter the secure area without having been screened. And the terminal evac is based on TSA/LEO discretion, which presumably means it'll happen if you get out of sight, but not if an LEO is able to stop you.
None of this is new, that's the way it's been for years.
All that's new is the clarification about how you'll be escorted out, and the fact that there won;t be a fine just for refusal.
So merely trying to re-enter the checkpoint (to hope for a non-NoS lane?) won't trigger the shutdown. The shutdown is if you try to enter the secure area without having been screened. And the terminal evac is based on TSA/LEO discretion, which presumably means it'll happen if you get out of sight, but not if an LEO is able to stop you.
None of this is new, that's the way it's been for years.
All that's new is the clarification about how you'll be escorted out, and the fact that there won;t be a fine just for refusal.
I think that wording has been used to confuse people and make them think than opt-outers are trying or may try to breach security to cause problems.
Good point. That may be the motivation for the ambiguous wording.
Nov 22, 2010, 9:51 pm
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If any person who has refused a pat down makes any attempt to go towards the gate area the TSA security checkpoint will be immediately shut down.
EDIT: there have been subsequent posts that have clarified this in the past few minutes.
Last edited by N965VJ; Nov 22, 2010 at 10:11 pm
