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tom911 Nov 16, 2010 11:31 pm

SFO DA promises to prosecute overly touchy pat downs
 

SAN MATEO COUNTY, Calif. (KGO) -- The San Mateo district attorney's office has a warning for all TSA personnel at SFO -- anyone inappropriately touching a passenger during a security pat down will be prosecuted.

Incoming San Mateo DA Steve Wagstaffe says any complaints of inappropriate touching during an airport security pat down will land on his desk.

"The case would be reviewed and if we could prove the elements of it, that it was inappropriately done with a sexual or lewd intent, that person would be prosecuted," he said.

The charge -- sexual battery.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...ula&id=7793386

JBC78 Nov 16, 2010 11:38 pm

I wonder how long it will take for someone to complain? Its wonderful to see a DA willing to protect citizens.

JBC78

FrequentHopper Nov 16, 2010 11:46 pm

This is window-dressing. Notice that you have to "prove" that the person assaulting you had "lewd intent." All the TSA goons have to do is say "just doing my job," and they're off the hook.

avsfan733 Nov 16, 2010 11:50 pm


Originally Posted by FrequentHopper (Post 15167763)
This is window-dressing. Notice that you have to "prove" that the person assaulting you had "lewd intent." All the TSA goons have to do is say "just doing my job," and they're off the hook.

Yes, thats how the justice system works. We wouldn't be any better than the TSA if we wanted to lower the standard out of our distaste for them. Further 'just doing my job' excuse doesn't fly, it simply makes the employer liable as well.

Pat89339 Nov 16, 2010 11:52 pm

So "skin to skin" is a felony. What about "gloved hand to skin?" The TSA clerk put her hand inside my pants waistband and went all around the waistband with her gloved hand touching my skin at all times on 10/30.

MikeMpls Nov 17, 2010 12:05 am


Originally Posted by JBC78 (Post 15167708)
I wonder how long it will take for someone to complain? Its wonderful to see a DA willing to protect citizens.

JBC78

Let's hope it's the start of a trend.

Dovster Nov 17, 2010 12:24 am

This is absolutely meaningless. I presume the DA knows it and is grandstanding.

The key words are "inappropriately done with a sexual or lewd intent".

Unless the TSO makes some remark like, "Wow! I love fondling your johnson", there is no way to prove lewd intent during a pat down. This is quite a different situation than if a strange man walks up to you on the street and starts playing with it.

FriendlySkies Nov 17, 2010 12:30 am


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 15167972)
This is absolutely meaningless. I presume the DA knows it and is grandstanding.

The key words are "inappropriately done with a sexual or lewd intent".

Unless the TSO makes some remark like, "Wow! I love fondling your johnson", there is no way to prove lewd intent during a pat down. This is quite a different situation than if a strange man walks up to you on the street and starts playing with it.

+1

Any claim that the pat down was inappropriate will be rebounded by TSA stating that it was within SOP.:rolleyes:

jordanmills Nov 17, 2010 12:31 am


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 15167972)
This is absolutely meaningless. I presume the DA knows it and is grandstanding.

The key words are "inappropriately done with a sexual or lewd intent".

Unless the TSO makes some remark like, "Wow! I love fondling your johnson", there is no way to prove lewd intent during a pat down. This is quite a different situation than if a strange man walks up to you on the street and starts playing with it.

I'm assuming that there will be arrests involved while that's being worked out. It will be funny to see a stream of TSA clerks being taken out in handcuffs. And that will be at least a good short term deterrent.

FrequentHopper Nov 17, 2010 12:34 am


Originally Posted by jordanmills (Post 15168031)
I'm assuming that there will be arrests involved while that's being worked out. It will be funny to see a stream of TSA clerks being taken out in handcuffs. And that will be at least a good short term deterrent.

It's a nice fantasy, but it's not going to happen. If it does, the federal government will pass a law exempting TSA employees from sexual assault and battery laws in the course of their duties, or they'll go the back channel and yank federal funds from any DA who prosecutes or arrests TSA agents.

jordanmills Nov 17, 2010 12:36 am


Originally Posted by FrequentHopper (Post 15168048)
It's a nice fantasy, but it's not going to happen. If it does, the federal government will pass a law exempting TSA employees from sexual assault and battery laws in the course of their duties, or they'll go the back channel and yank federal funds from any DA who prosecutes or arrests TSA agents.

You're probably right. There's still plenty that can be done on the state level though. Arrest records, incident charges, sex offender registration, etc.

Ari Nov 17, 2010 1:09 am

It is just a scare tactic by the DA.

^:)

slsdi Nov 17, 2010 1:42 am

I agree it's a scare tactic, but I still like it. To me, it helps make the point that under normal law, this would be sexual molestation.

sbagdon Nov 17, 2010 2:48 am

Yesterday's Pistole testimony had a questioner specifically asking about the protecting of the TSOs, in regards to civil(?) liability. No mention of what protections existed, or if the TSO goes off-the-reservation, yet Pistole was sure to say they were protected. This is on someone's radar, and be pushing someone's envelope, if questions of liability are coming up.

GUWonder Nov 17, 2010 3:27 am


Originally Posted by Pat89339 (Post 15167797)
So "skin to skin" is a felony. What about "gloved hand to skin?" The TSA clerk put her hand inside my pants waistband and went all around the waistband with her gloved hand touching my skin at all times on 10/30.

That a rapist uses a condom instead of going for "skin to skin" does not eliminate the crime of rape. Same goes for other forms of sex-related crimes.


Originally Posted by slsdi (Post 15168442)
I agree it's a scare tactic, but I still like it. To me, it helps make the point that under normal law, this would be sexual molestation.

Yes. And intimidation tactics are exactly what DHS/TSA does use, so DHS/TSA getting a dose of its own kind of medicine is poetic justice.


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