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Originally Posted by birdstrike
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We all know that any risk from a properly calibrated NoS is low, but we question the risk/reward ratio (given that the TSA has not interrupted a terrorist plot since its inception, has only issued post-hoc screening directives, and hires only minimum-wage marginal English speakers as employees). As airline travelers, we resent any exposure to risk that is purely driven by government theater. Your last sentence, however, proves my point, airline traveler or not. What happened to my daughter was completely unnecessary and is the reason why I no longer drink the government Kool-Aid.
Originally Posted by wildcatlh
(Post 15151443)
Don't want to turn this off topic... but vaccines do not "cause" autism. They also don't "result in" autism. The only connection is that vaccines tend to be given around the same time that autism is noticed and diagnosed. That's it.
The science is there to say that. Just like the science is there to say that backscatter machines are dangerous. My only point was that I don't believe everything they tell me. Not after my own experience with Vioxx, and my daughter's experience with vaccines (and autism is the LEAST of her injuries). Others here posted various examples. We all have our reasons to believe the government is not being truthful. Those are mine. |
Originally Posted by LAL47
(Post 15154077)
Google Hannah Poling. The government has conceded vaccines "resulted" in her autism. $23 million settlement over her lifetime. Many other cases very quietly settled. The science IS there. You just have to look beyond the conflicts of interest.
Read the NE Journal of Medicine article for a reasoned approach to the subject. |
Originally Posted by LAL47
(Post 15154077)
Google Hannah Poling. The government has conceded vaccines "resulted" in her autism.
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It's not like opting out of the full body scan is going to subject you to getting fondled by a TSA agent. But, I was kinda wondering, might a passenger, or even a TSA agent get carried away? You know: one thing leads to another (maybe a squeeze or two).
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Originally Posted by LAL47
(Post 15154077)
Google Hannah Poling. The government has conceded vaccines "resulted" in her autism. $23 million settlement over her lifetime. Many other cases very quietly settled. The science IS there. You just have to look beyond the conflicts of interest.
My only point was that I don't believe everything they tell me. Not after my own experience with Vioxx, and my daughter's experience with vaccines (and autism is the LEAST of her injuries). Others here posted various examples. We all have our reasons to believe the government is not being truthful. Those are mine. It's also said to be likely that any high fever she experienced from an illness would've ended up with the same result. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Two things happening, one after the other, doesn't mean the first thing caused the second thing. I'm getting off this topic now. It's way off-topic and irrelevant in this forum. For actual facts on this subject, just go here: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?cat=36 |
Originally Posted by wildcatlh
(Post 15154786)
Hannah Polling didn't have autism. She doesn't now. The vaccines exacerbated a pre-existing condition she unfortunately had which resulted in a slew of maladies, some of which mirror autism.
It's also said to be likely that any high fever she experienced from an illness would've ended up with the same result. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Two things happening, one after the other, doesn't mean the first thing caused the second thing. I'm getting off this topic now. It's way off-topic and irrelevant in this forum. For actual facts on this subject, just go here: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?cat=36 Privacy grounds are another matter. |
Originally Posted by mre5765
(Post 15154505)
That's a vast over simplification of Poling's case.
Originally Posted by wildcatlh
(Post 15154786)
Hannah Polling didn't have autism. She doesn't now. The vaccines exacerbated a pre-existing condition she unfortunately had which resulted in a slew of maladies, some of which mirror autism.
It's also said to be likely that any high fever she experienced from an illness would've ended up with the same result. Nobody knows whether or not a fever would've caused the "autism." Saying that it's "said to be likely" hardly sounds like good science to me. I will agree that arguing about vaccines and autism is irrelevant. I'll state again that these are MY reasons for not drinking the Kool-Aid, just as others stated their reasons. I believe I've been lied to, therefore I question. That's my right and I'm exercising that right. If you disagree with my reasoning, that's just fine, but now you've brought it off topic. |
Originally Posted by LAL47
(Post 15154077)
Google Hannah Poling. The government has conceded vaccines "resulted" in her autism. $23 million settlement over her lifetime. Many other cases very quietly settled. The science IS there. You just have to look beyond the conflicts of interest.
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