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fendertweed Nov 14, 2010 11:01 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 15134803)
And the General Accounting Office. Even the other Feds are afraid of those folks.

GAO = Government Accountability Office :cool:

Scubatooth Nov 14, 2010 11:07 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 15138467)
Absolutely disgusting behavior and I hope that it can be proven but you know the TSA :rolleyes: :td:. Now, I wonder if the radio calls made by TSO's are recorded as they are with leo's & fire departments.

Based on past events and behaviors predicting feature ones.... i really doubt it. Maybe a collection of people listening in and recording and then dropping them in the medias lap would be get there attention.

GadgetFreak Nov 14, 2010 11:27 am


Originally Posted by fendertweed (Post 15138532)
GAO = Government Accountability Office :cool:

Duh. You're right of course. Sorry about that.

stimpy Nov 14, 2010 11:45 am

If this were about real security, I would be totally in favor of full on nude scanning. Strip searching even. But it's nothing to do with security. The TSA is just theater to control the traveling public. That makes this nude scanning not only unnecessary, but just plain offensive.

wutdhec Nov 14, 2010 11:48 am


Originally Posted by babe11 (Post 15136975)
Karob, What you described was basically what happened to me last Tues, Nov 9th in TPA.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, a woman just has this feeling when a situation is becoming perverted. The body language, the smirk (not smile) and personal enjoyment of a VERY uncomfortable event.

As I read the posts here and google this topic, it's obvious woman and children are consistently targeted. The accounts are overwhelming.

Hopefully, together we can get our rights back.

Same here but I have always opted out. Even when I don't alarm the metal detector, I always get chosen for the grope when flying in the US. I'm what I would guess some folks would call a reasonably trim female. It's getting so I want to rub deer lure or some other vile smelling substance on my body to make them back off.

ElPasoPilot Nov 14, 2010 12:26 pm


Originally Posted by Scubatooth (Post 15138456)
The radios I use when i travel are handheld that at most put out 5w of power, there small and compact and travel well and can be broken down with the antennas removed very easily. there nothing like the ones(Yes plural) i have in the car or at home that have much more power and better reception.

I have a more powerful radio that travels in a pelican 1510 case(including battery for power(~24hrs) but all sorts of problems would occur if i started to put up a portable buddy pole in a terminal. Heck the looks from walking around with a pigtail in my ear are bad enough, let alone wearing a throat mic set up.


Give me till the end of the day or tomorrow and i will post a list of channels/Frequencies that i can dig up. As my cards are not with me there in my go kit that is currently a 20+ hour drive from me (its a 3 hour flight, but not a chance in he double hockey sticks im flying now).


You're being outmaneuvered.


http://www.gsnmagazine.com/node/21666?c=communications

TSA invites manufacturers to demonstrate their radios’ encryption capabilities

Wed, 2010-10-20 11:26 AM
By: Jacob Goodwin
Motorola handheld radio

TSA, which is required by DHS to encrypt the radio communications its personnel send and receive at sites around the country, has invited radio manufacturers to demonstrate their encryption capabilities during 45-minute sessions at TSA headquarters during the week of October 25.

During the sessions, manufacturers will be expected to demonstrate how their gear can perform “manual key loading” of an encryption key into a radio; “Over the Air Rekeying,” known as OTAR, in which encryption keys are changed over a radio channel; and “Tactical OTAR,” in which the manufacturer would show how its radio can send an encryption key to TSA’s existing inventory of 8,600 Motorola handheld radios, and vice versa.

“TSA requires that all its newly procured, handheld radios shall be fully compatible with existing equipment and accessories that are deployed in the field,” explained a special notice TSA published on Oct. 14. “These handheld radios will improve existing communications capabilities and have the ability to be utilized in any “Over-the-Air-Rekeying” (OTAR) scenario.”

Scubatooth Nov 14, 2010 12:30 pm

Yes but OTAR can be defeated, according to the ICOM engineer locally i spoke with. Plus look at TSA do your really think there that smart. You can run or change the target but that doesnt make it unhitable

Okay as promised here is the TSA frequency information

The current radios that TSA bought in mass are ICOM IC-F50V (or 60V)-- http://radioresourcemag.com/newsArti...m?news_id=6260 . This radio has a P25 encryption chip onboard as well as voice inversion technology, now if a particular location is using these features you will have to find out. Now you don’t have to have this radio to listen in (caveat the radio may need some programming after you buy it) as long as you can hit the right frequency, your only other barrier might be the encryption or voice inversion.

A lot of TSA frequencies and the information I gathered from searching online.
TSA Frequencies
TSA Airport Frequencies
TSA (Airport Code) Frequencies

TSA Frequencies
Channel Frequency Details
1 172.150 S1 simplex [digital]
2 172.150 S1 simplex [digital]
3 172.150 S1 simplex [digital]
4 172.150 S1 simplex [digital]
5 172.900 S2 simplex [digital]
6 169.300 S3 simplex [digital]
7 172.900 R1 repeater (169.300 input) [digital]
8 172.900 R1 repeater (169.300 input) [digital]
9 172.900 R1 repeater (169.300 input) [digital]
10 172.900 S2 simplex [digital]
11 172.900 S2 simplex [digital]
12 166.4625 F1 simplex with 103.5 CTCSS [analog]
13 166.4625 F1 simplex [digital]
Simplex frequencies can have more that one digital group at the same time
(source - http://www.docdroppers.org/wiki/inde...SA_Frequencies)


Airport Specific codes:

DEN

Frequency License Type Tone Alpha Tag Description Mode Tag
172.90000 RM 001 NAC TSA Den Int1 Denver International Airport Checkpoint Operations P25 Federal
172.15000 M 136.5 PL TSA Den Int2 Denver International Airport Checkpoint Operations (Voice Inversion Scrambling) FM Federal
172.15000 M TSA Den Int3 Denver International Airport Checkpoint Operations P25 Federal
166.46250 M TSA Den Int4 Denver International Airport Checkpoint Operations P25 Federal
163.62500 RM 151.4 PL TSA DIA Supv Denver International Airport Supervisors FM Federal
Source -- http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=3521

DFW

Frequency License Type Tone Alpha Tag Description Mode Tag
169.16250 RM 128 NAC TSA DFW Transportation Security Administration (TSA) P25 Federal
169.18750 RM TSA DFW 2 Transportation Security Administration (TSA) P25 Federal

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=1134
170.3375 MHz, NAC001 - http://mt-fedfiles.blogspot.com/2010...allas-tsa.html

MIA

Frequency License Type Tone Alpha Tag Description Mode Tag
172.90000 RM TSA 1 Transportation Security Administration FM Federal
Source --http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=3086
ORD
172.90000 M TSA TSA P25 Federal
Source -- http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=1713

PDX

Frequency License Type Tone Alpha Tag Description Mode Tag
172.15000 001 NAC TSA F1 TSA A/B/C Concorse Checkpoints P25 Federal
172.15000 003 NAC TSA F3 TSA D/E Concorse Checkpoints P25 Federal
172.15000 002 NAC TSA F2 TSA International Arrivals Checkpoints P25 Federal
Source - http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=2893

SFO
162.2750 MHz, 131.8pl with voice inversion
Source-- http://mt-fedfiles.blogspot.com/2010...equencies.html
STL
Department Chan Frequency Tone Callsign Usage Notes
Output Input
TSA 172.1500 n/a Simplex APCO 25 digital
TSA 172.9000 169.3000 APCO 25 digital
Source -- http://myweb.accessus.net/~090/scan/airfreq.html

TPA

Frequency License Type Tone Alpha Tag Description Mode Tag
172.15000 M TSA Transportation Security Administration (TSA) P25 Federal
172.90000 RM TSA Transportation Security Administration (TSA) P25 Federal
172.90000 M TSA Transportation Security Administration (TSA) P25 Federal
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=2259

Terminology
NAC = The Network Access Code or NAC is a feature of Project 25 digital radios similar to CTCSS or DCS for analog radios. That is, radios can be programmed to only break squelch when receiving the correct NAC. NAC's are programmed as a 3 digit hexadecimal code that is broadcast along with the digital signal being transmitted.
Since the NAC is 3 digit hexadecimal number(12 bits), it gives 4096 possible NAC's for programming, which far exceeds its analog counterparts combined. It should be noted that 3 of the possible NAC's have special meaning:
• 0x293 ($293) - the default NAC
• 0xf7e ($F7E) - a receiver set for this NAC will unsquelch on any NAC received
• 0xf7f ($F7F) - a repeater receiver set for this NAC will allow all incoming signals and the repeater transmitter will retransmit the received NAC.
A list of NACs used by the Federal Government can be found http://wiki.radioreference.com/index...eral_NAC_Codes
These scanners are capable of decoding NACs;
• Uniden BCD396XT
• Uniden BCD996XT
• GRE PSR-500
• GRE PSR-600
• RS Pro-197
• RS Pro-106

http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/NAC



If someone wants to make this a sticky so it can be updated, I don’t have a problem with it. Some formatting is needed but not to bad. I just wish HTML was possible

stimpy Nov 14, 2010 12:37 pm

The airwaves belong to the public, per Act of Congress. But you are free to encrypt as you see fit.

Nutella Nov 14, 2010 3:30 pm

From the beginning
 
UK got these machines before us and their government claimed that images could not be stored or printed. Days later this story of a Bollywood film star autographing his naked image for the 'security' people at Heathrow came out. I expect our machines care the same.

http://boingboing.net/2010/02/09/fil...claims-he.html

Global_Hi_Flyer Nov 14, 2010 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by Scubatooth (Post 15136079)
Be careful of the state your in and its wire-tapping laws, but i think PT has the bases more then covered.

Be very careful. There are Federal laws prohibiting the interception and disclosure of private radio transmissions: Link

eyecue Nov 14, 2010 5:09 pm


Originally Posted by swfa (Post 15132956)
last week, one of my flying partners (captain with skywest) was going through security at den with his 18 year daughter. As his daughter approached the detector, the tso working the nos said on his headset, "heads up, got a cutie for you." he then confronted the tsa clerk with what he said and that neither of us are going through the nos. The tsa clerk said you must have misunderstood me. :rolleyes:

He said pat-down was pretty evasive, and his daughter felt uncomfortable.

He is taking it up with skywest, with this behavior. Normally, crews there go through a different screening area, but since he was with his daughter, he got to see the tsa clerks at their finest in denver. :td:

Its stoiries like this, is why i will not go through the nos (radiation/health issues) and even refuse the the pat-down thus (if it happens while on duty) canceling the flight due to a hostile work environment.

I hope this gets resolves soon!! Got to fly....no nos checkpoints on this trip so don't worry about a canceled flight from me!! :d

date, time and location please!!!

GadgetFreak Nov 14, 2010 5:18 pm

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Originally Posted by fendertweed

Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 15134803)
And the General Accounting Office. Even the other Feds are afraid of those folks.

GAO = Government Accountability Office :cool:

Actually I dated myself. The General Accounting Office was the original name.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=General+Accounting+Office

MaximumSisu Nov 14, 2010 8:36 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 15140296)
Be very careful. There are Federal laws prohibiting the interception and disclosure of private radio transmissions: Link

The linked statute applies to INTERSTATE communications.

Question: Does any US airport served by scheduled airline straddle a state border?

exbayern Nov 14, 2010 8:46 pm


Originally Posted by Nutella (Post 15139842)
UK got these machines before us and their government claimed that images could not be stored or printed.

WELCOME!!!! May I say that you have a wonderful username :D:D:D:D

muji Nov 14, 2010 8:51 pm


Originally Posted by Nutella (Post 15139842)
UK got these machines before us and their government claimed that images could not be stored or printed...

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