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username_unknown Nov 2, 2010 7:03 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15056439)
1. The officers on the line are doing what they are told.

you might want to google the "Nuremberg Defense" or even speak to an attorney.

This defense didn't work out to well for the Nazi's or more recently Sadam's baathists

TXagogo Nov 2, 2010 8:44 pm

For now on I will be carrying around about a dozen of these letters in my shoulder bag.

http://www.npr.org/assets/news/2010/05/17/concern.pdf

The next time any TSA clerk says "it's safe", or "trust us", or "I went through 25 hours of intense training" or any other BS line, simply pull one out of your bag, hand it to them, and say:

"This may be above your reading level but give it a shot. You just might learn something."

Printing them off tonight when I get home...

bubb1 Nov 2, 2010 9:04 pm

I'll take the pat-down over the scanner any day....I'm sure whoever has to do it won't enjoy it any more than I will :p

youreadyfreddie Nov 2, 2010 10:16 pm


Originally Posted by manneca (Post 15063249)
I opted out Friday at Memphis. The TSO said there was no more radiation than from the metal detector. I've had cancer and don't want to risk it

I love how TSOs think people care about their opinion on this--as if they've done anything more than repeat what they have been told. Sheesh.

Ayn R Key Nov 3, 2010 9:39 am


Originally Posted by ZeppoX (Post 15054893)
Thought about adding this to this thread, but it has become about lawsuits.

This morning at RDU I opted out of the nude-o-scope. The TSA person (who was very polite) asked me why. I told her I do not believe what the government says regarding radiation exposure.

Professional in all other ways, she said -- and I wrote it down to quote:
"Radiation has nothing to do with it. There is no radiation. It is just radio waves. I went through 25 hours of training on this thing, and that is all it is."

Am I wrong in understanding that the 'scope uses X-rays -- that is, ionizing radiation?

Some of the NOS are MMW, and some of the NOS are BXR. There are some where the problem is only constitutional, and there are some where the problem is both constitutional and medical.

You may have gotten (un)lucky and gotten an MMW machine.

MMW is physically safe, the radiation is non-ionizing. The first wave of NOS were all MMW. The second wave are BXR, for reasons the TSA refuses to explain.

baglady Nov 3, 2010 10:24 am


Originally Posted by Ayn R Key (Post 15066993)
Some of the NOS are MMW, and some of the NOS are BXR. There are some where the problem is only constitutional, and there are some where the problem is both constitutional and medical.

You may have gotten (un)lucky and gotten an MMW machine.

MMW is physically safe, the radiation is non-ionizing.

Are you sure about that?

http://current.com/news/91879541_ful...-human-dna.htm

FliesWay2Much Nov 3, 2010 10:35 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 15061064)
Lets look at that 25 hours of training.

Training day one, first hour of training time devoted to forming the class and other administrative activities, mid morning break for 15 minutes, one hour for lunch, mid afternoon break.

8 hour day, 1 hour admin, 30 minutes break, 1 hour lunch, 5:30 hours real training time

Training day two: 15 minutes answering questions from day 1, 2 breaks totaling 30 minutes and lunch 1 hour.

8 hour day less 1:45, training time = 6:45

Day three same as day two, real training time 6:45

So for a scheduled 25 hour class (24 in this example) real training time =19 hours. Hardly time enough to learn complex equipment.


The TSA has no desire to teach their screeners about the equipment any more than they have a desire to educate passengers.


Originally Posted by TXagogo (Post 15064113)
For now on I will be carrying around about a dozen of these letters in my shoulder bag.

http://www.npr.org/assets/news/2010/05/17/concern.pdf

The next time any TSA clerk says "it's safe", or "trust us", or "I went through 25 hours of intense training" or any other BS line, simply pull one out of your bag, hand it to them, and say:

"This may be above your reading level but give it a shot. You just might learn something."

Printing them off tonight when I get home...

Thanks very much. I haven't seen the official letter, althrough I have talked to some OSTP staff members about it. Every one of them said that the TSA was literally getting away with murder. They said that the TSA backed itself into a corner by procuring these things and would rather give cancer to Americans rather tyhan admit they have another "puffer" on their hands.

MikeMpls Nov 3, 2010 10:57 am


Originally Posted by Ayn R Key (Post 15066993)
MMW is physically safe, the radiation is non-ionizing.

Thanks but no thanks. My wife & I choose not be irradiated by the clerks, period.

l etoile Nov 3, 2010 11:22 am


Originally Posted by TXagogo (Post 15064113)
For now on I will be carrying around about a dozen of these letters in my shoulder bag.

http://www.npr.org/assets/news/2010/05/17/concern.pdf

Excellent. Thank you for posting as I just sent it to several friends and will also be carrying copies.

Ayn R Key Nov 3, 2010 3:29 pm


Originally Posted by baglady (Post 15067321)

Yes. Speaking as an electronic engineer who has worked telecom, I am positive about that.

MMW is non-ionizing, therefore doesn't cause genetic damage. The only danger is the dose, it is like warm water versus scalding water.

BXR is ionizing and I won't get near one of those.

I'm a scientist (kind of) and the difference between ionizing and non-ionizing is pretty basic stuff.

By the way, MMW uses Gigahertz, and the article is discussing Terahertz. I could be wrong on that point, not that it makes much of a difference because both are on the safer end of the spectrum The article confuses MMW and X-Ray consistently. The picture provided is from the BXR, and yet they say it was generated by "millimeter wave technology and / or backscatter X-rays".

It is clear that the article was not written by someone familiar with basic physics.

I'm the last one to defend the TSA, I'm always attacking their bad science. But I must attack bad science that attacks the TSA too.

n4zhg Nov 3, 2010 5:02 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 15056610)
Re #1, the employee can do something else!

Getting an honest job. Piano player in a cat house, for example.

Carnage Nov 3, 2010 5:42 pm


Originally Posted by DIFIN (Post 15056262)
wonder how long before a groper gets a knee in the chops.

hope its a woman that does it

:mad:

What a moronic post. I would say that, no matter what I might think about someone's job, I hope they do not get assaulted by anyone....

Ayn R Key Nov 3, 2010 5:52 pm


Originally Posted by Carnage (Post 15070146)
What a moronic post. I would say that, no matter what I might think about someone's job, I hope they do not get assaulted by anyone....

If someone's job is rapist, I regularly hope they get assaulted by their clients.

MikeMpls Nov 3, 2010 5:53 pm


Originally Posted by Carnage (Post 15070146)
What a moronic post. I would say that, no matter what I might think about someone's job, I hope they do not get assaulted by anyone....


I'm beyond caring. If they don't like the risk, they can get an honest job somewhere else.

It's unlikely that it will be a FlyerTalker that takes that swing, for the simple reason that most of us will anticipate what's coming, but sooner or later it's going to happen.

Carnage Nov 3, 2010 6:48 pm


Originally Posted by Ayn R Key (Post 15070192)
If someone's job is rapist, I regularly hope they get assaulted by their clients.

And that is what you believe the TSA do then? Commit rape? Well aside from there not being all of the parts of the offence being there to complete it I was not aware that the TSA engage people in forced sexual intercourse before they allow them on planes.


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