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denis in denver Oct 31, 2010 11:24 am

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In the LAX RCC. A few minutes ago I was just getting ready to take my stuff off the belt after screening at the elite security line a TSA shouted code braavo and bounded up the stairs to Terminal 7. We were told to step away from our stuff and not move. Pretty enervating. About 5 min later we got the all clear. First time for me. Don't need it again.

coachrowsey Oct 31, 2010 11:47 am

Looks like one of their stupid tests to me:rolleyes:

I' sure our resident clerk in Den will be along soon

FriendlySkies Oct 31, 2010 11:53 am

I would have just grabbed my stuff and moved on..

eyecue Oct 31, 2010 11:57 am


Originally Posted by coachrowsey (Post 15047531)
Looks like one of their stupid tests to me:rolleyes:

I' sure our resident clerk in Den will be along soon

You base that assumption on what?
There are no clerks in in TSA.

FriendlySkies Oct 31, 2010 11:59 am


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15047582)
You base that assumption on what?
There are no clerks in in TSA.

Uh, yes there are. 60000 of them.

cordelli Oct 31, 2010 12:29 pm

From a blog a few years back

I had something more “reasonable” happen. At the actual screening line, where I had just gathered my shoes, an agent yelled “Code Bravo” and all the TSA workers held up their blue gloves. The one nearest to me told me to stay put. It lasted for maybe 5 minutes, and then they yelled “Code Bravo clear” and said congratulated us for being part of an exercise.

It was pretty surreal and I was wondering what they’d come up with next. Now I know.

I can only guess that TSA is training us to act like sheep. Their justification could be that it would be useful in one of those cases where someone bolts through the gate and they have to re-screen the entire terminal.

But they’re really going too far now if they’re demanding that people play Simon Says without explanation or reasonable accomodation.



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gfunkdave Oct 31, 2010 12:35 pm

From the same article:


* UPDATE – An anonymous reader writes in to say that the Aviation and Transportation Security of 2001 allows the head of the TSA can authorize TSA employees to have law enforcement powers. See Section 114(q)(1). The reader notes too that there seems to be no way for citizens to know how to distinguish rent-a-screeners from TSA employees vested with law enforcement powers.

That said, I’m still highly skeptical of TSA screeners’ powers to detain groups of individuals. That said, I am not a lawyer.


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Exactly: how do you know that the TSA people ordering you to stop are actual law enforcement officers? I am inclined to ignore TSA "officers" telling me to stop where I am, but would obey a lawful request by an actual law enforcement officer.

coachrowsey Oct 31, 2010 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15047582)
You base that assumption on what?


There are no clerks in in TSA.

eyecue:
I know a lot more than you think I know but it's ssi:D


Originally Posted by FriendlySkies (Post 15047590)
Uh, yes there are. 60000 of them.

60,000 to many CLERKS

username_unknown Oct 31, 2010 1:34 pm

this happens regularly in ATL.

I remember the first time this happened when I was traveling with a co-worker...he was amazed at the fact the best defense TSA had was screaming "code bravo, everybody freeze, don't move"

mean while the terrorist would have just detonated his bomb and killed the 300+ people at the check point

N965VJ Oct 31, 2010 1:40 pm

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The GF claims I have selective hearing. This would be a good chance to prove her right :D

coachrowsey Oct 31, 2010 1:42 pm


Originally Posted by username_unknown (Post 15048066)

mean while the terrorist would have just detonated his bomb and killed the 300+ people at the check point

Correct indeed.

SeattleFlyerGuy Oct 31, 2010 1:48 pm

So, what IS code bravo? Any insight?

InkUnderNails Oct 31, 2010 1:53 pm


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 15048093)
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The GF claims I have selective hearing. This would be a good chance to prove her right :D

I am hearing impaired, from time to time severely. What do they do to someone whose has cleared, is picking up their stuff and truly does hear their stupid game being played. Would they have tackled me from behind? Get an LEO to arrest me? It is hard enough to keep my sanity without this junk.

FriendlySkies Oct 31, 2010 2:08 pm


Originally Posted by username_unknown (Post 15048066)
this happens regularly in ATL.

I remember the first time this happened when I was traveling with a co-worker...he was amazed at the fact the best defense TSA had was screaming "code bravo, everybody freeze, don't move"

mean while the terrorist would have just detonated his bomb and killed the 300+ people at the check point

Sad, but true.. Eyecue, what can you do to stop a pax that will not ditz around the check point, while you call a code blue? Surely you can't call a LEO on somebody.. You can't detain us, so I don't see why pax just don't move along..


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 15048093)
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The GF claims I have selective hearing. This would be a good chance to prove her right :D

What was that??? ;)

InkUnderNails Oct 31, 2010 2:31 pm

I have had a bit of time to think about this. If there really is a code bravo, and it really means something, tell the passengers. It is only fair.


Notice: In certain events there may be an emergency announcement of a "Code Bravo." In this case all passengers should stop what they are doing and give due reverence to the all-power TSA clerk in your immediate vicinity. You are under their complete control and authority until you have been given permission to move. DO NOT MOVE. WAIT until you are given instructions. You will be told what you can do and when you can do it. Failure to comply with these instructions will lead to immediate retaliatory searches or you will not be allowed into the secure area as it is obvious that anyone that does not grovel before the TSA Blue is a terrorist and intent on doing harm to aviation security.
This should be posted near the difficult to find opt out signs for convenience.


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