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greggwiggins Oct 17, 2010 9:19 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 14960033)
Just my take. Disney can manage massive crowds of people of all nationalities without any yelling. Hire Disney to setup TSA checkpoints.

Actually, Disney was brought in as a consultant in the early days of TSA; they helped design the screening checkpoints at (at least) BWI with creating an efficient passenger flow in mind.

Any regular Baltimore flyers want to comment?

Bonnerbl Oct 17, 2010 10:25 am


Originally Posted by senseker (Post 14958778)
.. since nobody knows the rules (since we have like 124321789313464515 rules), we tend to make sure passengers can hear. I wish there was an easier way to do it.

I would say that there is so much noise in the area that shouting efforts are useless. Especially for me - hearing impaired - all that comes thru is there is someone over there shouting at the crowd and who is completely unintelligible. Culturally, shouting is considered rude and boorish. Something engaged in by bullies or people who mistake force of argument for cogent position. The message being conveyed is not a useful one about procedures it is a negative one about TSA employess.

A simple, well-placed, large type, concise sign would be much more effective.

SDF_Traveler Oct 17, 2010 11:31 am


Originally Posted by greggwiggins (Post 14960502)
Actually, Disney was brought in as a consultant in the early days of TSA; they helped design the screening checkpoints at (at least) BWI with creating an efficient passenger flow in mind.

Any regular Baltimore flyers want to comment?

Not a BWI regular, but the only checkpoint that seems "roomy" and has the "potential" to be efficient at BWI is the new A / B checkpoint.

My guess is if Disney was indeed consulted, it would have been for the design of the A/B checkpoint? Any BWI'ers?

exbayern Oct 17, 2010 11:51 am

Since I begain to read TS&S earlier this year, I have been counting. Counting 'please' and 'thank you' and 'you are welcome' around the world. Even on a busy holiday weekend at MUC I counted no less than 14 polite exchanges from me and the screener.

I hear 'may I' often instead of orders in other English speaking countries. I am asked at LHR if a spot check swab is going to make me late for my flight. I am beckoned over to a line with no wait with a smile and a cheerful good morning. I have been apologized to because only one lane was open and not two lanes early one morning, even though there were only a few people ahead of me.

It is entirely possible to do all of this and still provide security.

I sadly don't experience the same from the US. Simply choosing different words would improve the reputation of TSA, but it seems that there is always an excuse why that isn't possible. Request instead of demand, for instance. Some TSOs may do this, but it appears to be the norm elsewhere and the exception in the US at the airport screening.


That might work at domestic terminals, but would probably not do so well at an international terminal, where many passengers don't speak a lick of english. I do agree that we shouldn't exactly yell, but maybe talking a little higher for people to hear us.
I honestly don't know how to put this nicely, but do you realise that when you do that we are not impressed? It makes you look like an uncultured fool, and reinforces unfortunate stereotypes. What makes one think that if I don't understand a word in a regular voice I will understand it once it is shouted at me?

Global_Hi_Flyer Oct 17, 2010 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by greggwiggins (Post 14960502)
Actually, Disney was brought in as a consultant in the early days of TSA; they helped design the screening checkpoints at (at least) BWI with creating an efficient passenger flow in mind.

Any regular Baltimore flyers want to comment?

Explaining why security is Mickey Mouse... :D

I thought it was one of the big consulting firms (Booz, maybe) that came in and worked on passenger flow & screening procedures. Not that it really helped. The only checkpoints that are decent are the A/B checkpoints. And ALL of them have some of the worst personnel around.

FriendlySkies Oct 17, 2010 2:14 pm


Originally Posted by senseker (Post 14958896)
...might work at domestic terminals, but would probably not do so well at an international terminal, where many passengers don't speak a lick of english.

Is that the reason the NoS was installed at the international gates?

Passing through SFO two hours ago, I was reminded of the many reasons that TSA is not liked. Although the barkers were not out, I was given the evil eye when I said that I would prefer to push my property into the xray. :rolleyes: never happened in Sydney. Maybe we should send the clerks over to Sydney to learn some people skills.

Scubatooth Oct 17, 2010 2:18 pm


Originally Posted by senseker (Post 14958896)
I know one screener at my terminal who is like that, screaming at the top of his ....ing lungs for no reason. Pisses me off..

This is the exact reason I have yelled back at the barker to shut up there giving me a migraine, and get a supervisor NOW. That response always gets there attention and everyone in earshot, and shuts the barker up pdq. Once i talk to the supervisor depending on how it goes i either go through that checkpoint or pick another one. Then once through security i get a comment card to fill out and mail in as well as get the contact info of the FSD Im sorry yelling accomplishes nothing other then to piss people off and have them tune out what ever your saying.


Originally Posted by senseker (Post 14958896)
... international terminal, where many passengers don't speak a lick of english.

again and yelling louder and gesturing to someone who doesnt understand the language will all of a sudden understand....newsflash it doesnt, it just gives the person a very bad impression of the United States and makes its less likely that they will come back.


Originally Posted by senseker (Post 14958896)
I try to smile when I can, except when i'm working real fast at TDC (checking tickets), unless it's slow. I agree. Smiling does go a long way sometimes.

well your in a very small minority. In my travels maybe 1 in 50 govt clerks have a smile on there face the rest of the time it looks like the neighborhood dog thats been beaten repeatedly.

Himeno Oct 17, 2010 6:03 pm


Originally Posted by FriendlySkies (Post 14961781)
Maybe we should send the clerks over to Sydney to learn some people skills.

They won't get anything out of it. At most, they'll just tell Sydney "You're doing it wrong".

senseker Oct 17, 2010 6:12 pm

I mean, who really cares about Australia? I mean, they're all like "g'day mate". This is the US of A.

AMERICA. .... YEA.

....ing kangaroos.

Himeno Oct 17, 2010 7:35 pm


Originally Posted by senseker (Post 14962703)
I mean, who really cares about Australia? I mean, they're all like "g'day mate". This is the US of A.

AMERICA. .... YEA.

....ing kangaroos.

...but... but

Oprah's coming.:eek:

RadioGirl Oct 17, 2010 8:04 pm


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 14962664)
They won't get anything out of it. At most, they'll just tell Sydney "You're doing it wrong".

Or worse, they'll like Sydney and want to stay. :eek:

tom911 Oct 17, 2010 8:09 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 14963245)
Or worse, they'll like Sydney and want to stay. :eek:

Not with that Australian dollar selling for 99 U.S. cents. :D In my 15 years of travel to Australia it's never been that strong.

VH-RMD Oct 18, 2010 5:51 am


Originally Posted by senseker (Post 14962703)
I mean, who really cares about Australia? I mean, they're all like "g'day mate". This is the US of A.

AMERICA. .... YEA.

....ing kangaroos.

fortunately, we are just xenophobic enough to refuse you residency...

SQ421 Oct 18, 2010 6:40 am

lol @ VH-RMD :D

In this country we do like to travel without succumbing to the moronic requirements of removing our shoes or producing I'd for a rentacop at the screening point in order to travel. Hell, we can even carry liquids on board our flights, and the planes aren't falling out of the sky.

As a humble Australian, I'm going to ask the posters to scratch their suggestions of sending TSA boors down under to learn a thing or few about respectful conduct at checkpoints, lest their hairbrained ideas surrounding IDs liquids gels and shoes seep through :D

@senseeker: ever wonder why people (americans and furriners alike) find your mob so annoying? Your last post holds the answer.

yyzvoyageur Oct 18, 2010 6:45 am


Originally Posted by SQ421 (Post 14964991)
Hell, we can even carry liquids on board our flights, and the planes aren't falling out of the sky.

That was not my experience some ten months ago flying out of SYD. Have things changed?


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