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#61
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Sex please?
But seriously...
Male
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Haven't had the pleasure to opt out yet but will each and every time I am "SSSSelected"
#62
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Female, mid 50s. I've pretty much had it with the gross violations of our civil liberties and the NoS was the last straw. An unpleasant opt out experience in LAX just hardened my resolve. I strategically avoid NoS where possible and if that fails, opt out. If TSA, or other passengers, don't like it, F**** 'em.
#63
Join Date: Jan 2008
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Male 65. I don't opt out but I do avoid the US as much as possible since the TSA. I resign myself to intrusion and offense. A number of my family and colleagues have entirely stopped US travel. By now the US should have noticed:
1) Fewer people choosing the US for education because of visa hassles;
2) Fewer international conventions due to the same;
3) Less tourist travel and international transfers due to TSA
All of those are not absolutes but the market share drops have been reported fairly frequently. The market shares should be rising due to the very cheap $. The US is certainly damaging its' future by alienating so many people with these silly policies. It's very irritating to me, and I'm an American.
1) Fewer people choosing the US for education because of visa hassles;
2) Fewer international conventions due to the same;
3) Less tourist travel and international transfers due to TSA
All of those are not absolutes but the market share drops have been reported fairly frequently. The market shares should be rising due to the very cheap $. The US is certainly damaging its' future by alienating so many people with these silly policies. It's very irritating to me, and I'm an American.
#64
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Male, retired or trying to be, however, Mrs. Italy has other ideas . . . and I always opt-out. As others have stated, I don't trust the TSA nor the machines, and I do not believe the use of the scanners is legal.
#65
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NYC
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Female, 60. I've managed to avoid the NoS so far, but will certainly opt out.
I feel very strongly about minimizing radiation exposure: my father designed radiation detection devices for DOD. Later in his career he worked for FEMA, taking part in "exercises", simulations of post nuclear attack conditions. He died at age 67--of the same cancer as three others in his lab. This is the short version but I can add detail for the benefit of the patdown screener.
There is the "unreasonable searches" issue as well but if asked for a reason this is the one I'd give. I'd also point out the risk to the TSOs working the machine. For a mammogram or dental x-ray the tech swathes most of my body in lead and then LEAVES THE ROOM. What is casual exposure doing to these people?
I feel very strongly about minimizing radiation exposure: my father designed radiation detection devices for DOD. Later in his career he worked for FEMA, taking part in "exercises", simulations of post nuclear attack conditions. He died at age 67--of the same cancer as three others in his lab. This is the short version but I can add detail for the benefit of the patdown screener.
There is the "unreasonable searches" issue as well but if asked for a reason this is the one I'd give. I'd also point out the risk to the TSOs working the machine. For a mammogram or dental x-ray the tech swathes most of my body in lead and then LEAVES THE ROOM. What is casual exposure doing to these people?
#66
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#67
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There have been instances of TSA personnel making a big deal of asking for a reason.
I'd rather answer "because I can", but if I can take the occasion to plant doubt in the mind of the screener it becomes a teaching moment....
I'd rather answer "because I can", but if I can take the occasion to plant doubt in the mind of the screener it becomes a teaching moment....
#68
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 129
I feel very strongly about minimizing radiation exposure: my father designed radiation detection devices for DOD. Later in his career he worked for FEMA, taking part in "exercises", simulations of post nuclear attack conditions. He died at age 67--of the same cancer as three others in his lab. This is the short version but I can add detail for the benefit of the patdown screener.
This is just what I meant. I once was in a language course where over 15 stewardesses participated as well. Many of them already had cancer or were wondering why so much pilotes and stewardesses have cancer. They stated their personal impression: by the age of 45, 50% would have cancer .
So even without the scans, for the employees, there is already a risk. But no airline does overtly communicate this because flying is so chic and beeing a stewardess as well
#69
Join Date: Jun 2009
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This is just what I meant. I once was in a language course where over 15 stewardesses participated as well. Many of them already had cancer or were wondering why so much pilotes and stewardesses have cancer. They stated their personal impression: by the age of 45, 50% would have cancer .
So even without the scans, for the employees, there is already a risk. But no airline does overtly communicate this because flying is so chic and beeing a stewardess as well
So even without the scans, for the employees, there is already a risk. But no airline does overtly communicate this because flying is so chic and beeing a stewardess as well
That said, however, even an as-yet-unquantified increased occupational risk of cancer is certainly yet another very strong reason to limit one's exposure to unnecessary ionizing radiation.
~~ Irish
Last edited by IrishDoesntFlyNow; Oct 14, 2010 at 5:30 am
#70
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This is just what I meant. I once was in a language course where over 15 stewardesses participated as well. Many of them already had cancer or were wondering why so much pilotes and stewardesses have cancer. They stated their personal impression: by the age of 45, 50% would have cancer .
So even without the scans, for the employees, there is already a risk. But no airline does overtly communicate this because flying is so chic and beeing a stewardess as well
This is just what I meant. I once was in a language course where over 15 stewardesses participated as well. Many of them already had cancer or were wondering why so much pilotes and stewardesses have cancer. They stated their personal impression: by the age of 45, 50% would have cancer .
So even without the scans, for the employees, there is already a risk. But no airline does overtly communicate this because flying is so chic and beeing a stewardess as well
#71
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#72
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Originally Posted by lostinthewash
It has nothing to do with shame ... at 5'9", 135lb marathon runner, it sure ain't about how I look, it's about what I believe in.
#73
Join Date: May 2007
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Female 33. Will always opt out, but have not seen a NoS yet, so haven't had to.
I guess I'll give reasons too.
1) I'm currently pregnant and there is no way I'm exposing my child to an unkown, unmonitored, untested source of radiation. My dentist won't x-ray me now, neither should the TSA.
2) Liberty. It's ridiculous what this country has come to.
3) Privacy. I don't feel its any business of the TSA to know when I have my period (when I'm not pregnant).
I guess I'll give reasons too.
1) I'm currently pregnant and there is no way I'm exposing my child to an unkown, unmonitored, untested source of radiation. My dentist won't x-ray me now, neither should the TSA.
2) Liberty. It's ridiculous what this country has come to.
3) Privacy. I don't feel its any business of the TSA to know when I have my period (when I'm not pregnant).
Last edited by firespirit; Oct 13, 2010 at 7:35 pm
#74
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Male, 50. Only been NoS'd once, at LAS, and that was because I wasn't paying enough attention. Never again. I opt out for health and privacy reasons as well as broader political / civil liberty considerations... which neither the average TSO nor the majority of the flying public seem to have any grasp of:
I despair of our compliant, half-aware, easily duped citizenry. This encouraging thread notwithstanding -- you are all patriots -- we are in big trouble.
I despair of our compliant, half-aware, easily duped citizenry. This encouraging thread notwithstanding -- you are all patriots -- we are in big trouble.