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Exleftseat Sep 19, 2010 4:47 pm


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 14691168)
You are allowed to have knives and guns in your checked baggage. You can access your checked baggage in the customs hall. You are unlikely to have a gun in your checked baggage when while traveling internationally, but you can have a large knife, sword, crowbar, etc. If you are not re-screened, you can carry any of that onto the plane. Is it really that hard to understand?

The bolding is mine. Thanks for your explanation. Bolded, because I wouldn't even think about options like that, There just is not a mean, let alone violent thought in my repertoire. And it still is hard for me to understand, but of course you are right.


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 14691168)
It doesn't matter how old you are or where you are going. Do you think you should be exempted from security procedures because of your age or where you 'just' want to go?

I know that this is not an option but for argument's sake and in an ideal world :YES. Here is why, I am a peaceful great-grandfather, whose only wish is to live a very long life alongside Mrs. EX. It's funny but it's the truth, instead of smashing flies, we try catching them and release them out the door alive ( so maybe we are a little nutty ), I am polite, I am friendly, I am retired and therefor don't wear business attire. Why do Mrs. EX and I continuously attract the extra attention at U.S. security, why so many other seniors? This begs for common sense!

MW147 Sep 19, 2010 5:17 pm


Originally Posted by clacko (Post 14693718)
its not only the us....when connecting intl-intl at scl, i have to go thru screening....it's the way of the world....

Same is true at NRT, and has been for over 20 years, long before 9/11. You can't touch your checke bags, but still have to go through security immediately on arrival.

I always thought it was because the Japanese did not want to have to trust anyone else, and wanted to be sure anyone getting on to a plane in their country (even if they never officially entered the country) would not be able to have anything illegal.

Ari Sep 19, 2010 8:40 pm


Originally Posted by Jalinth (Post 14710962)
The US and Canada has you clear customs (therefore have access to your luggage) and immigration in your landing airport.

YYZ (and maybe YVR?) have a way for passengers to transit without security and customs on checked bags (but with immigration) as I recall.


Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT (Post 14711826)
The bolding is mine. Thanks for your explanation. Bolded, because I wouldn't even think about options like that, There just is not a mean, let alone violent thought in my repertoire. And it still is hard for me to understand, but of course you are right.

I know that this is not an option but for argument's sake and in an ideal world :YES. Here is why, I am a peaceful great-grandfather, whose only wish is to live a very long life alongside Mrs. EX. It's funny but it's the truth, instead of smashing flies, we try catching them and release them out the door alive ( so maybe we are a little nutty ), I am polite, I am friendly, I am retired and therefor don't wear business attire. Why do Mrs. EX and I continuously attract the extra attention at U.S. security, why so many other seniors? This begs for common sense!

Everyone is abused by the TSA; you are not alone. Hopefully that is of some minimal solace next time you suffer indignity at the hands of the TSA/CBP.

Exleftseat Sep 19, 2010 8:56 pm

ARI wrote "YYZ (and maybe YVR?) have a way for passengers to transit without security and customs on checked bags (but with immigration) as I recall."

We came in thru YYZ last week from HKG on AC and connectd to LAX on AC as well. There was no way to avoid Canadian security and their full body scanner and/or equivalent as I mentioned before.


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 14715043)
Everyone is abused by the TSA; you are not alone. Hopefully that is of some minimal solace next time you suffer indignity at the hands of the TSA/CBP.

Mrs. EX and I thank you for your kind thoughts.

RadioGirl Sep 19, 2010 9:52 pm


Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT (Post 14711826)
...There just is not a mean, let alone violent thought in my repertoire.

If you deal with TSA long enough, that may change. :(

Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT (Post 14711826)
.. I am polite, I am friendly, I am retired and therefor don't wear business attire. Why do Mrs. EX and I continuously attract the extra attention at U.S. security, why so many other seniors? This begs for common sense!

Common sense is not part of the TSA performance. :td:

Seriously, though, you are probably attracting the extra attention simply BECAUSE you are polite, friendly, etc. They need to fill a quota of extra harassment screening for a certain number of people. Obviously, it's more pleasant for them to harass search people who are quiet, cooperative and uncomplaining rather than someone who is likely to ask a lot of questions, be difficult, ask for their supervisor, etc. So when they "randomly" select people for extra scrutiny, polite retired people on vacation are an ideal target. (Read this article about a retired female police chief who was also singled out.)

Or maybe anyone who can still be polite and friendly after being harassed searched by TSA is obviously suspicious! ;)

Try this next time - arrange with the lovely Mrs Ex to start an argument while you're in line for the checkpoint. Something trivial and unrelated to aviation safety. Escalate just as you reach the first TSA person. I'll bet they leave you alone!

Critic Sep 19, 2010 11:18 pm


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 14715043)
YYZ (and maybe YVR?) have a way for passengers to transit without security and customs on checked bags (but with immigration) as I recall.

That's only true if you're connecting FROM an international flight TO an international flight, and that's because (unlike airports in the US), YYZ has a sterile transit area. If you were connecting through YYZ to a US flight, you'd have to pick up your check bag, clear US CBP, and then CATSA security to get into the transborder departure area (which is separate from international departures).

Ari Sep 19, 2010 11:24 pm


Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT (Post 14715272)
ARI wrote "YYZ (and maybe YVR?) have a way for passengers to transit without security and customs on checked bags (but with immigration) as I recall."

We came in thru YYZ last week from HKG on AC and connectd to LAX on AC as well. There was no way to avoid Canadian security and their full body scanner and/or equivalent as I mentioned before.

I apologize-- I meant for flights from the USA, not to the USA.

polonius Sep 20, 2010 1:30 pm

Yes, this exactly correct. The USA has this ridiculous policy of making you claim your luggage and go through customs with it, so you could in fact have a knife in your luggage, so re-screening makes sense (but not of course if the Americans did like EVERYONE else does and let you check your baggage through to your destination).

But what about everywhere else? If I fly, for example, from Cairo to Copenhagen, and I change planes at FRA, I do NOT get anywhere near my checked baggage, but I still need to go through security at FRA.

Of course this is in part because on arrival from Cairo, I am mixed in with unscreened passengers, but why do they do that? Why not just put me right into the sterile side of the airport? I have already been screened, and of course, IF I was a terrorist and the first screening failed, I would have carried out my mission on the first flight, not waited to see if I could carry my explosives back off flight 1 and onto flight 2.


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