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rhino_uk Sep 17, 2010 12:02 am

Terrorism is NOT 100% preventable - MI5
 
Jonathan Evans - Head of MI5 -gave a speech last night talking about the terror threat in the UK.

Although amongst other things it would have just been his way of getting a message to the government not to cut back of the security budget when the cuts are announced, he did include this quote


In recent years we appear increasingly to have imported from the American media the assumption that terrorism is 100% preventable and any incident that is not prevented is seen as a culpable government failure.

This is a nonsensical way to consider terrorist risk and only plays into the hands of the terrorists themselves. Risk can be managed and reduced but it cannot realistically be abolished and if we delude ourselves that it can we are setting ourselves up for a nasty disappointment
IMO the biggest thing here is that this guy doesn't have to play politics, he can just tell it as it is

alanR Sep 17, 2010 12:40 am

In other news Pope is found to be Catholic and bears do do-dos in the woods

LuvAirFrance Sep 17, 2010 1:17 am

I think almost everybody can agree on that. No matter what you do, no matter how extreme you get, something's gonna happen. The best anti-terror regime in the world will be breached. So things must be approached in a balanced way. Don't give up crucial freedoms for the promise of perfect safety.

GUWonder Sep 17, 2010 1:56 am

... and in related news, the US DHS -- like its various related counterparts in the UK -- continues to respond like clowns to clowns who lack the "skills or character to make credible terrorists" of themselves. Witness the US and UK airport "security" dog and pony show, including that put up in response to even make-believe "plots".

deadpass Sep 17, 2010 1:56 am


Originally Posted by alanR (Post 14677068)
In other news Pope is found to be Catholic and bears do do-dos in the woods

I thought the pope do-dos in the woods and bears are catholic? Have I got this all wrong?

The fact that we see that statement as one that not everyone in a government position can make is just sad.

goalie Sep 17, 2010 9:59 am


Originally Posted by deadpass (Post 14677366)

Originally Posted by alanR (Post 14677068)
In other news Pope is found to be Catholic and bears do do-dos in the woods

I thought the pope do-dos in the woods and bears are catholic? Have I got this all wrong?

The fact that we see that statement as one that not everyone in a government position can make is just sad.

i don't see the bear wearing a mitre ;)


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...inthewoods.jpg

and now back to our regularly scheduled topic....

bocastephen Sep 17, 2010 11:30 am


Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance (Post 14677233)
I think almost everybody can agree on that. No matter what you do, no matter how extreme you get, something's gonna happen. The best anti-terror regime in the world will be breached. So things must be approached in a balanced way. Don't give up crucial freedoms for the promise of perfect safety.

The problem is, not everyone does agree with that - or believes it. Many of the Kettles think terrorism is 100% preventable, and if it isn't given the current security procedures, we need to ramp those procedures up until it is preventable.

It's this sort of nonsense that has dragged our country into the sad shape that we're in now. Unfortunately, most rank and file Americans are unsophisticated enough or unwilling to accept that not only is terrorism generally unpreventable, the risk of harm from terrorism is a tiny, almost immeasurable fraction of the risk that comes from our everyday activities like driving.

This is why pandering to fear is such a strong political tactic.

FriendlySkies Sep 17, 2010 11:52 am

Oh boy, don't let Pissy & Nappy find out! If they do, I bet we'll see another pointless useful piece of $#!@ hardware designed to keep us safe :)

Boggie Dog Sep 17, 2010 1:02 pm

Terrorism is NOT 100% preventable

but TSA is!

Wimpie Sep 17, 2010 1:55 pm

Government Safety
 
Remember when:

Asbestos was considered SAFE?

DDT was considered SAFE?

Carbon tetrachloride was considered SAFE?

Tylenol was considered SAFE?

X-Ray Feet scanners were considered SAFE?

Mercury tooth fillings were considered SAFE?

Lead paint was considered SAFE?

Backscatter body scanners were considered SAFE?

Just wait and see if my prediction becomes a footnote in history.^

P.S. These are the same people we are going to trust with our health care? GOD HELP US ALL!

MisterNice Sep 17, 2010 2:06 pm

I am certain only 6 more ID checks at the airport will prevent aircraft terrorism. Ooops better make that 8 more ID checks to be absolutely certain and a butt swab.

MisterNice

doober Sep 17, 2010 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 14682386)
The problem is, not everyone does agree with that - or believes it. Many of the Kettles think terrorism is 100% preventable, and if it isn't given the current security procedures, we need to ramp those procedures up until it is preventable.

It's this sort of nonsense that has dragged our country into the sad shape that we're in now. Unfortunately, most rank and file Americans are unsophisticated enough or unwilling to accept that not only is terrorism generally unpreventable, the risk of harm from terrorism is a tiny, almost immeasurable fraction of the risk that comes from our everyday activities like driving.

This is why pandering to fear is such a strong political tactic.

Sadly, you are correct.

VH-RMD Sep 17, 2010 5:42 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 14682386)
The problem is, not everyone does agree with that - or believes it. Many of the Kettles think terrorism is 100% preventable, and if it isn't given the current security procedures, we need to ramp those procedures up until it is preventable.

sadly, there are TSA employees who post on this site who also believe this...

IslandBased Sep 17, 2010 6:17 pm

TSA has managed to prevent about 99.9% of common sense. The rest is window dressing.;)

Global_Hi_Flyer Sep 17, 2010 7:48 pm


Originally Posted by IslandBased (Post 14687774)
TSA has managed to prevent about 99.9% of common sense. The rest is window dressing.;)

More to the point, TSA has managed to aid and abet the terrorist goals of restricting and eliminating the rights and freedoms of US citizens. They have forgotten this famous quote:


The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without. ~Dwight D. Eisenhower


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