RadioGirl

Too late.

Too late.

+1

castrobenes

Let me get this straight, it is your contention that you submit to coercive sexual assault as a condition of your employment...you might even say that you exchange sex for money...


castro

They would be compelled to start a police report. The LEO gets to choose whether to make an arrest. The prosecutor still has the authority about whether to indict.

If you think that this is a good strategy then you should ask for a LEO...

castro

mozgytog

I'm saying that the TSA forcing me to either be photographed naked or have my genitals groped because flying is a necessary part of my job is disgusting, coercive, and I'd like to see the people who force these searches in prison.

InkUnderNails

^

Flying for me is not optional if I am going to keep my job. If I had to get stripped or groped just to walk in the door at the factory, my employer would be shut down in a nanosecond.

Boggie Dog

The arrest is a citizens arrest. I believe that removes the officers discretion of arrest since the arrest has already happened.

Agree that the DA can indict or not based on strenght of the evidence and other factors.

WillR

I'm not sure about your respective jurisdictions, and IANAL, but citizen's arrest may only be justifiable if it is reasonable and necessary. In a situation where you can clearly identify the individual, and there is no impediment to you waiting for a LEO, I don't see how it is necessary to effect a citizen's arrest. And, worst case, you lay yourself open to charges (of assault/battery/false imprisonment/interfering with screening process) if the TSO is found to have not committed a crime.

Boggie Dog

Inal either but in most areas a citizens arrest can be made when the citizen sees or is the victim of a felony. Sexual Assault is certainly a felony.

I would be interested in the outcome of such a test case.

LuvAirFrance

I don't think they dare let the passenger choose the sex of the groper. The perverts would mob the place.

jiejie

Yes but they are not really "pat downs" much less the TSA-enhanced ones. The female officers just usually run the hand wand against your body, and maybe pat a pocket and request you take stuff out. Don't get everybody all excited here and cause a rush for Chinese visas at the nearest Embassy.

And there are airports where male officers are patting down the men. Depends on your timing and checkpoint as to what you get.

Global_Hi_Flyer

At LAX and BOS, the strip-search machines are installed at the exit to the WTMD. Even if they're part of "primary", TSA can simply claim that they're secondary. Yes, it's dishonest, but that's the game TSA plays.

clrankin

I'll take this part of the conversation in a different direction...

Being that TSA is having their employees touch extremely private (and sexual) areas of the body, I think it is imperative that the flying public be able to determine for themselves if the screener has any possibility of receiving any gratification from the activity.

TSA should be required to identify all screeners as straight, gay, or bisexual. Passengers should then be given the ability to select the sexual orientation of their screener. The screener should then have to confirm their sexual orientation to the passenger prior to screening.

Is it invasive for TSA employees? Sure. But no more invasive than feeling up a person's personal areas simply because they've purchased a ticket to fly somewhere.

MikeMpls

Methinks it's time to update the TS&S glossary.

Superguy

It's not a balance when it's heavily tilted in TSA's favor and on invasion vs. security and privacy.


And at that point, we get to D-Y-W-T-F-T. If you do, you end up consenting, If you don't, you can't fly because you didn't complete the screening. Sounds like TSA has someone by the short and curlies - literally. Sad that a once free America is coming to this: give up your liberties. If you want to maintain your right to movement, you have to give up your right to protection from an unreasonable search. If you want to maintain your right to be free from unreasonable search, your right to free movement is infringed upon.

Welcome to the new Amerika, comrade.

It's already happening with the Nude-O-Scopes. You don't change screeners each time the gender changes, do you? If you don't, are you saying that touching is the difference and why the opposite screener sex is allowed to view a naked image of a person?

Both are disgusting, personally, outside of an alarm that needs to be resolved.

chollie

OP's post got me to thinking.

If a pax is up for an 'enhanced' patdown and the TSO assigned to the task is a family member, neighbor, friend, close acquaintance...heck, even an enemy - is the pax allowed to ask for someone else to perform the frisk? Is the TSO allowed to do so?

I know it's statistically unlikely, but it's bound to happen sooner or later. How would you feel if the TSO assigned to frisk you is your neighbor, attends the same church, is your brother/sister-in-law, etc?

I'm also curious about how TSOs generally feel about this (just the physical part of it). I personally couldn't do it (grope complete strangers in a non-medical setting). It's why I'm not in medicine or law enforcement. We've seen posts here indicating delays because there wasn't a frisk-trained TSO immediately available. Are TSOs allowed to decline this training? decline the duty? Are there 'brownie' points for volunteering for the training or to perform the duty?

trvlr64

As a card carrying homosexual the next time I opt out and I get a nudge to my penis I'm going to ask the TSO if I can touch his too.

I wonder what the reaction will be????



Reminds me of my interaction with the TSA at the Charleston, WV airport.

I had a small bottle of LUBE in my ziplock bag. This bottle was 3.4 oz and the TSO manning the x-ray screen freaked out because the bottle was over 3oz.

He called over his supervisor holding out the bottle of lube for all to see and out loud said "this is over 3 oz", to which I turned to the supervisor and rather LOUDLY commented ........don't worry I used some of it last night a few times.

Everyone standing behind me in line busted out laughing. The supervisor just grinned and told me to go on my way.

I got to keep my lube too.