Organized resistance to WBI/invasive patdowns
Oct 9, 2010, 4:47 pm
#541
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I was very cooperative and polite, and indicated that I didn't object to a thorough patdown.
Oct 9, 2010, 5:06 pm
#542
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If the screening is not complete tell them you'll be happy to answer the questions after you are cleared. Then once you are cleared just walk away. If they object tell them that if they want to question you they can accompany you as you walk to your gate.
If they refuse to complete the screening until after you answer their questions call for a LEO and the airline's GSC. Explain to them that the TSA person is refusing to screen you.
Oct 10, 2010, 6:41 am
#543
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Question for Newhaven and owners of these sites:
Please report on the hit counter and possibly the number of downloads on these sites that I try to publicize:
It might help improve morale around here.
"The beatings will continue until moral improves"
http://airportbodyscan.org
http://dontscan.us
http://dontscan.me
Am I missing any?
Please report on the hit counter and possibly the number of downloads on these sites that I try to publicize:
It might help improve morale around here.
"The beatings will continue until moral improves"
http://airportbodyscan.org
http://dontscan.us
http://dontscan.me
Am I missing any?
Oct 10, 2010, 8:21 am
#544
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Need an article than mentions these sights and can get published in the mainstream.
Oct 10, 2010, 11:35 am
#545
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I suggest a well-written article submitted as a "letter to the editor" (or better yet, a guest commentary) of significant newspapers. The link from Drudge, etc. will come easily after the former happens. I'd be willing to assist and have professional staff available for graphics and technical editing.
Oct 10, 2010, 11:56 am
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Bold mine.
I suggest a well-written article submitted as a "letter to the editor" (or better yet, a guest commentary) of significant newspapers. The link from Drudge, etc. will come easily after the former happens. I'd be willing to assist and have professional staff available for graphics and technical editing.
I suggest a well-written article submitted as a "letter to the editor" (or better yet, a guest commentary) of significant newspapers. The link from Drudge, etc. will come easily after the former happens. I'd be willing to assist and have professional staff available for graphics and technical editing.
We need a travel writer who is willing to devote space and time to an honest discussion of TSA.
Oct 10, 2010, 11:59 am
#547
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Following news reports from around the country, I think the following papers would be the most receptive:
Wall Street Journal
New York Times
Boston Globe
Washington Post
Please post interim letters here, so we all can critique before publishing. I think we can put together a credible editorial that might create some publicity. Maybe someone from Utah can get a response from Jason Chaffetz, he seems to be clearly on our side.^
Also David Parker Brown from Airlinereporter.com has come out against.
Does anybody think any of the big media - ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, CNN, MSNBC or PBS would help?
One of us here must have some "inside pull"
Wall Street Journal
New York Times
Boston Globe
Washington Post
Please post interim letters here, so we all can critique before publishing. I think we can put together a credible editorial that might create some publicity. Maybe someone from Utah can get a response from Jason Chaffetz, he seems to be clearly on our side.^
Also David Parker Brown from Airlinereporter.com has come out against.
Does anybody think any of the big media - ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, CNN, MSNBC or PBS would help?
One of us here must have some "inside pull"
Oct 11, 2010, 5:25 am
#548
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Here's my first cut at these two groups:
Best cases:
- Constitutionality (right to privacy, unreasonable search)
- Effectiveness (is this worth the money?)
- Using radiation devices on the public (including on people that are not aware or understand what's happening to them)
- Physical assault/consent issues
Also mentions:
- Fraud (back room deals), waste (cost effectiveness), and abuse (somebody's getting rich and I bet they're "connected")
- Retaliation
- Training (especially in the use and maintenance of radiation devices)
- Proper notification and consent
- Vulnerabilities (why use a system so easily defeated?)
- Non-random implementation leading to "attractive females getting searched more often
What did I miss? What are everyone's thoughts on the gropings* and order?
* - sorry, that was supposed to be groupings.
Oct 11, 2010, 10:46 am
#549
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I only read printed papers when I'm traveling & find one outside my hotel room on the way to breakfast.
Oct 11, 2010, 12:02 pm
#550
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USA Today: Gary Stoller has written
http://travel.usatoday.com/news/2010...ans13_ST_N.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...ans13_ST_N.htm
http://travel.usatoday.com/news/2010...ans13_ST_N.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...ans13_ST_N.htm
Oct 11, 2010, 12:35 pm
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USA Today: Gary Stoller has written
http://travel.usatoday.com/news/2010...ans13_ST_N.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...ans13_ST_N.htm
http://travel.usatoday.com/news/2010...ans13_ST_N.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...ans13_ST_N.htm
However:
The Transportation Security Administration, which has spent more than $80 million for about 500 machines, says the criticism is unwarranted. It says the machines improve security, are no threat to passenger privacy or health, and were chosen over alternative screening procedures by more than 98% of passengers during airport tests.
YGTBFKM! what a load of crap.
Oct 11, 2010, 12:41 pm
#552
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SECTION 44-74-30. Prohibited conduct.
(A) No person, other than a licensed practitioner or a radiologic technologist possessing a certificate from the South Carolina Radiation Quality Standards Association may use ionizing radiation or equipment emitting or detecting ionizing radiation on humans for diagnostic or therapeutic purposes.
(B) No person knowingly may employ or designate as a radiologic technologist a person who does not hold a certificate issued by the South Carolina Radiation Quality Standards Association.
(C) No person holding a certificate issued by the South Carolina Radiation Quality Standards Association may use radioactive substances or equipment emitting or detecting ionizing radiation on humans for diagnostic or therapeutic purposes unless under the direction and supervision of a licensed practitioner and unless so directed by prescription of a licensed practitioner.
(D) No person who is not certified by the South Carolina Radiation Quality Standards Association shall take, use, or exhibit the title of "limited practice radiographer", "podiatric limited practice radiographer", "limited chest radiographer", "radiographer", "radiation therapist", or "nuclear medicine technologist", or any other title, sign, display, or declaration that tends to lead the public to believe that the person is authorized to apply ionizing radiation on humans for diagnostic or therapeutic purposes.
(E) No person, other than a licensed practitioner, may operate any x-ray machinery in the health care setting, including a hospital, a mobile or temporary health care setting, or the office of a person licensed to practice any health care profession pursuant to any chapter of Title 40 of the Code of Laws of South Carolina without possessing a current valid certificate from the South Carolina Radiation Quality Standards Association.
(A) No person, other than a licensed practitioner or a radiologic technologist possessing a certificate from the South Carolina Radiation Quality Standards Association may use ionizing radiation or equipment emitting or detecting ionizing radiation on humans for diagnostic or therapeutic purposes.
(B) No person knowingly may employ or designate as a radiologic technologist a person who does not hold a certificate issued by the South Carolina Radiation Quality Standards Association.
(C) No person holding a certificate issued by the South Carolina Radiation Quality Standards Association may use radioactive substances or equipment emitting or detecting ionizing radiation on humans for diagnostic or therapeutic purposes unless under the direction and supervision of a licensed practitioner and unless so directed by prescription of a licensed practitioner.
(D) No person who is not certified by the South Carolina Radiation Quality Standards Association shall take, use, or exhibit the title of "limited practice radiographer", "podiatric limited practice radiographer", "limited chest radiographer", "radiographer", "radiation therapist", or "nuclear medicine technologist", or any other title, sign, display, or declaration that tends to lead the public to believe that the person is authorized to apply ionizing radiation on humans for diagnostic or therapeutic purposes.
(E) No person, other than a licensed practitioner, may operate any x-ray machinery in the health care setting, including a hospital, a mobile or temporary health care setting, or the office of a person licensed to practice any health care profession pursuant to any chapter of Title 40 of the Code of Laws of South Carolina without possessing a current valid certificate from the South Carolina Radiation Quality Standards Association.
Oct 11, 2010, 12:42 pm
#553
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I'm wondering if it is legal for an unlicensed person to operate these machines. I found the following from the So. Carolina law, but it seems to only apply to use of x-rays on people for diagnostic or therapeutic purposes in a health care setting.
Oct 11, 2010, 12:57 pm
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Oct 11, 2010, 1:17 pm
#555
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I believe it is. This is the latest that I had gotten from them..
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http://nudeoscope.com/Brochure/5a.pdf