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AllTheNamesWhereTaken Aug 16, 2010 5:57 pm

Another example of TSA keeping us safe!
 
Alaska State Troopers Press Release of Monday, August 16, 2010


Any charges reported in these press releases are merely accusations and
the defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.

A Detachment



Location: Ketchikan

Case number: 10-77181

Type: MICS VI

Text: On 8/15/10 at 10:25 am (Pacific Time) an off duty Ketchikan based
State Trooper observed an odor of marijuana aboard Alaska Airline flight
174 which was at the Seattle Airport, departing for Ketchikan. On
8-15-10 at 1115 hours (Alaska Time), the flight arrived in Ketchikan,
and at 1129 hours, the odor of marijuana was connected to a passenger,
identified as Allen Shepard (60) of Ketchikan. Investigation led to
the discovery and recovery of marijuana Shepard was transporting on his
person. Shepard was cited for MICS VI and released at the scene.
So how did he make it safely into the sterile area?

AirlineBrat53 Aug 16, 2010 6:05 pm

Maybe they had stuffed noses. :eek:

unLogical Aug 16, 2010 6:15 pm


Originally Posted by AllTheNamesWhereTaken (Post 14492798)

So how did he make it safely into the sterile area?

Because the TSA isn't looking for drugs? You can't bring a plane down with drugs?

Had the TSA made a stop on this, the members of this board would have had the following response:

Looks like they made the big catch
TSA has no business looking for drugs. They should have let the passenger go.

nhcowboy Aug 16, 2010 6:19 pm


Originally Posted by AllTheNamesWhereTaken (Post 14492798)
So how did he make it safely into the sterile area?

Why shouldn't he have made it into the sterile area? Was he carrying explosives? A gun? TSA's job is to find weapons and/or explosive devices which pose a threat to airline safety - not to search for illegal drugs. TSA shouldn't have prevented this passenger from boarding - and they didn't. That's a job well done! ^

LessO2 Aug 16, 2010 6:37 pm


Originally Posted by unLogical (Post 14492863)
Because the TSA isn't looking for drugs? You can't bring a plane down with drugs?

Had the TSA made a stop on this, the members of this board would have had the following response:

Looks like they made the big catch
TSA has no business looking for drugs. They should have let the passenger go.

You may be right, but you also forgot to include that TSA itself set the standard by bragging about finding these idiots.

AllTheNamesWhereTaken Aug 16, 2010 6:47 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 14492977)
You may be right, but you also forgot to include that TSA itself set the standard by bragging about finding these idiots.

And that is excactly my point. ^

See the thread about the passenger with the fake ID's.....

goalie Aug 16, 2010 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by unLogical (Post 14492863)

So how did he make it safely into the sterile area?
Because the TSA isn't looking for drugs? You can't bring a plane down with drugs?

Had the TSA made a stop on this, the members of this board would have had the following response:

Looks like they made the big catch
TSA has no business looking for drugs. They should have let the passenger go.

don't you mean the tsa isn't supposed to be looking for drugs and other forms of contraband like large amounts of cash and multiple passports ;)

star_world Aug 16, 2010 8:21 pm

Some people are never happy... either you want them to be looking for the drugs or you don't. Whining about the fact that they look for them because it is "illegal", and then whining about when they don't demonstrates strong narcissistic behaviour...

;)

the_happiness_store Aug 16, 2010 8:31 pm


Originally Posted by star_world (Post 14493501)
Some people are never happy... either you want them to be looking for the drugs or you don't. Whining about the fact that they look for them because it is "illegal", and then whining about when they don't demonstrates strong narcissistic behaviour...

;)

Name one person who is whining?

star_world Aug 16, 2010 8:34 pm


Originally Posted by the_happiness_store (Post 14493545)
Name one person who is whining?

The OP would be one prime example. Others will be along shortly :)

the_happiness_store Aug 16, 2010 8:57 pm


Originally Posted by star_world (Post 14493560)
The OP would be one prime example. Others will be along shortly :)


Originally Posted by AllTheNamesWhereTaken (Post 14492798)
So how did he make it safely into the sterile area?

Where is the whine?

VH-RMD Aug 16, 2010 8:58 pm


Originally Posted by the_happiness_store (Post 14493671)
Where is the whine?

a cab sav or shiraz???

SDF_Traveler Aug 16, 2010 10:24 pm


Originally Posted by AllTheNamesWhereTaken (Post 14492798)


Originally Posted by Alaska State Police Report
Location: Ketchikan

Case number: 10-77181

Type: MICS VI

Text: On 8/15/10 at 10:25 am (Pacific Time) an off duty Ketchikan based
State Trooper observed an odor of marijuana aboard Alaska Airline flight
174 which was at the Seattle Airport, departing for Ketchikan. On
8-15-10 at 1115 hours (Alaska Time), the flight arrived in Ketchikan,
and at 1129 hours, the odor of marijuana was connected to a passenger,
identified as Allen Shepard (60) of Ketchikan. Investigation led to
the discovery and recovery of marijuana Shepard was transporting on his
person. Shepard was cited for MICS VI and released at the scene.

So how did he make it safely into the sterile area?

I'm a bit confused here, what exactly is the problem?

The TSA conducts an administrative search and the search they carry out is for WEI (weapons, explosives, incendiaries); apparently the passenger did not have any WEI on him and was thus admitted to the sterile area in Seattle or other origin airport.

TSA screeners ARE NOT law enforcement and they never should be law enforcement. Their only duty is to look for weapons - they're not, and should never be a "dragnet" for law enforcement either.

Per the report above, it appears an Alaska State Trooper smelled something and acted on it as a LEO in Alaska.

When it comes to the TSA, anything further than an administrative search = 4th Amendment Violation.


Originally Posted by star_world (Post 14493560)
The OP would be one prime example. Others will be along shortly :)

I wouldn't stereotype everyone in this forum. In fact, I'd say many of the regular readers / posters in this forum will take a stance similar to mine.

As I'm sure you're aware, the TSA is limited to conducting an administrative search for WEI.

The pax referenced in the police report by the OP apparently was not carrying anything dangerous to an aircraft (weapons, explosives, etc) and thus was cleared to the sterile area of the terminal.

I don't see where there is a problem. It isn't the job of the TSA to look for drugs or other contraband, and it never should be.

At least this passenger was only going to Ketchikan and not, say, Kuala Lumpur. :)

Cheers!

thegeneral Aug 17, 2010 12:00 am


an off duty Ketchikan based
State Trooper
Since when did the Alaska State Troopers get taken over by the TSA. I read 2-3 newspapers a day, so I must have missed that headline. Either that or the OP made a post whining about the TSA when the actions were actually taken by a state trooper.


So how did he make it safely into the sterile area?
Let's see, because a metal detector doesn't pick up on marijuana. You could easily make it through security with a small amount of pretty much any drug. Did you think that the metal detector would pick up on things like that?

goalie Aug 17, 2010 7:51 am


Originally Posted by star_world (Post 14493501)
Some people are never happy... either you want them to be looking for the drugs or you don't. Whining about the fact that they look for them because it is "illegal", and then whining about when they don't demonstrates strong narcissistic behaviour...

;)

call it whining if you want to but the issue is whether rather simple. is the tsa is supposed to be looking for items that are not a threat to aviation security? it's really cut and dry and imho, illegal drugs are not a threat to aviation security. yes, the drugs in question are illegal but that's not the tsa's job-but rather to ensure that liquids, gels and aerosols greater than 3.4 ounces (unless medically allowed) are placed in checked luggage or surrendered at the checkpoint and items listed on the permitted and prohibited items list are either allowed thru the checkpoint or they are not.


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