Backscatter xray dose, how do you know?
 

There have been some other threads which have contained the advertised radiation exposure by the nude-o-scopes. But I can't recall whether the person in the machine knows when they are getting radiated.

Do the machines have any type of indicator lamp visible when emitting?
What keeps a demented TSA person from hitting the button as many times as they want? Anything? What about a whacko sitting in the booth hitting the button like he's on a Playstation? Is that possible without anyone knowing? Scary, IMO.

Nobody REALLY knows the dose from these walls of Cancerous Death, however it is not as little as they are claiming. However, do yourself and all Free Americans a favor and say:

"I OPT-OUT - I really don't need a radiation treatment"^

Make sure several sheeple in the line hear you! People don't have a clue.;)

I tried to opt-out today and was prepared to do so. But, BOI still had one WTMD open so I used it. The nude-o-scopes just disgust me. But, as I'm sitting here I really started wondering about the radiation exposure and what could happen when combined with malicious intent.

4 more converts
 

A friend told me quite recently that while standing in a security line at DEN she noticed a pregnant woman a couple of people in front of her who appeared, along with all the others in line, to be headed sheepishly for the NoS. My friend says (yes, I realize this is hearsay) that she called out to the woman and asked her if she were planning on going through the NoS and exposing her baby to radiation. Friend told woman she could "opt out" and have a pat down instead. Pregnant woman had no idea that she and her baby were going to be exposed to radiation and apparently neither did 3 other people because 4 travelers, in addition to my friend, opted out of NoS at the same time.

Friend said pat down was nothing to write home about, perhaps because there were 5 people to be patted down and the screeners wanted to get it over with fast. She didn't mention if their bags were rifled or if the screeners' gloves were ETD'd after the pat downs. I'll try to remember to ask her.

I agree.

I'd recommend opting out of these for several reasons not the least of which are the unknown radiation X factor and the privacy issues.

We're all just trying to fly from Point A to Point B but the TSA insists on subjecting US citizens to dangerous/invasive/controversial medical exams. And as far as I know, no US citizen has been involved in terrorist activities involving air travel.

This is pure hyperbole. "walls of Cancerous Death"? Please. :rolleyes: No matter how many times you repeat these types of highly misleading comments it does not increase the level of validity and credibility contained within them.

...and this is an even more concerning comment. Why are you singling out US citizens here? Are you advocating two security lines at airports - one where the prized US citizens can walk freely though, and another where everyone else can be subjected to whatever process the US government chooses?

US citizens are arguably a higher risk because they are already afforded far more protections by the government when it comes to surveillance, monitoring, searches, etc. compared with non-US nationals so less is known about what they are doing.

You are right - that was really over-the-top.
I'll just call them the "Walls of the Constitution-Free Zone"

Better?:D

You are, of course correct. And I treat a lot of skin cancer these days from people who have done not much more than lay on the beach in their younger days without sunscreen. Until the full details and dosimetry are public knowledge, I think I'll just call them job security.



Yes.

Which is precisely what our founders had in mind when they drafted and initially amended the Constitution.

Andrew Joseph Stack III
suicide pilot who crashed his plane into an office of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) on Feb. 18, 2010
Charles Bishop
flew a single-engine plane into the 42-story Bank of America Plaza building in downtown Tampa on January 5, 2002
Frank Eugene Corder
crashed a stolen Cessna 150 onto the South Lawn of the White House early on September 12, 1994, apparently trying to hit the building

Despite growing public opinion in the US legally admitted foreign nationals are afforded the same legal protections as any American citizen. ( at least in theory)
If you would like to argue against this consider the implications if American citizens were not affored the same protecitons as the citizens of a country that they were visiting.

Jacka$$es all I'm sure.


And thanks for the research.


Can someone add up the combined death toll as a result of the above vicious terrorist acts to justify inconveniencing literally billions of travellers?

Thanks.....

None of these guys would be screened by TSA today. They are all GA pilots, and there is no mechanism to catch them even today, and no plans to foil this behavior even in the future.

This cannot equate to heavier screening of passengers.:td:

Nice try - now name an American involved with a Commercial Aviation terrorist activity. How about an American Woman, or ANY kid?:td:

You lost the argment so now you want to change the rules?
"no US citizen has been involved in terrorist activities involving air travel"

We are quickly heading to Omni if we stay on this course.

Actually, what they had in mind was shackling federal government.

Excluding said Jacka$$es, I could count them on one finger. :(

I will have to back & read the strip search source selection documents from FedBizzOpps to find out if the voyeur in the booth controls how long the strip search radiation is on. If you have a voyeur screener interested in a certain body part, can they run the machine as long as they want? I don't recall ever reading this issue here or anywhere else. Of course, the last place I would look for the truth is the TSA website.

Don't get me wrong. A single radioactive subatomic particle used by my government to screen airline passengers is one subatomic particle too many.

I think we need to back TSA on this; TSA doesn't care if the screening procedures kill you as long as it doesn't happen on an airplane!:confused:

Not a clue about how long one is radiated and whether or not the voyeur can keep on zapping the victim, but the voyeur has the capability of keeping the image on his computer screen for "as long as necessary" to "clear" the victim.

Voyeur also has the power to zoom in on body parts in order to check out select areas. This is something that is never mentioned in the press.

Don't forget about the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski (US citizen born in Chicago), targeting an AA flight that injured 12 people due to smoke inhalation in 1979. That was arguably more successfully than Richard Reid or the underwear bomber and we still didn't have the hysteria that we do now. He also targeted Percy Woods, then UA president, in 1980.

So, are there commercially available dosimeters that we could obtain and measure the radiation of the WBI machines?

You don't trust the "TSAyso" meter? :D

Amazingly, I don't.

There are any number of dosimeters available.

This type you just look through and can see how much exposure you have recieved from day to day.

http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/pr...u=8192210&pfx=

It can be recharged with the available recharger. I also see some electronic types out there but don't know much about them.

The pen style (as shown) was used in the Navy when I first went to NBC classes many years ago.

Technically, the wavelengths produced for backscatter should not be able to penetrate the skin more than a few millimeters, and thus shouldn't be a concern for pregnant women. And I'm not sure the sources used can malfunction in such a way that they produce a significantly different wavelength of x-ray.

However, I am very concerned that the received doses will exceed what the TSA claims, due to malfunction and even simply "normal" operating variation. Just because the x-rays don't penetrate deeply into body doesn't mean they can't increase your chances for skin cancer--and even at "normal" doses they will nonetheless be more radiation than you'd receive if you didn't go through the nude-o-scope. :mad:

(That's something the TSA really fails on. They say stuff like, "You get more radiation exposure from this and that," without pointing out or probably even realizing that this is IN ADDITION to those other sources.)


Awesome! If they make these things mandatory, I may have to invest in a dosimeter.

Want to bet, though, that the TSA will refuse to allow you to take them through the nude-o-scope and if they catch you with one, it will mean instant grope fest, possibly the cops called to the checkpoint for a "suspicious device," etc.?

You can request to see the annual certification for the machine to know what the measured output it. Even though it is in the MicroREM scale, there are passengers that dont allow themselves to be exposed to it. There is no safe level of ionizing radiation.
The thing is knowing if the machine is backscatter or MMW.

I am willing to bet TSA will not allow you to use that anywhere near the WBI.

Yes, TSA has to hide the truth about the deadly Backscatter Child Porn Viewers.

How many screeners would even know what it was? Perhaps saying it is a medical device - which it is - would get someone through wearing a dosimeter.

They would, if I allowed them to send me through a WBI, force me to take a USMC Challenge Coin out of my pocket. They have, based on anecdotal reports here and in the media, denied people holding wallets in their hand during WBI searches. You honestly think they are going to let something that is clipped on and looks like either a large pen or small flashlight to transit the WBI?