Meaning do things like the OP described, do gate screening/ID checks on international flights.

But but but.... if you've gone through the TDC, done the WTMD or body scan or what ever and cleared into the sterile area. What's the purpose? Are you saying that people will exchange tickets and ID with a "bad guy" at Starbucks or Hudson News?

If you don't do it right the first time, then why do it at all.

As Colonel Potter used to say in M*A*S*H-------- horse hockey!!

Fixed it for you. ;)

And the Supreme Court has already stated that such practices are not legal.

Then it was whatever contract company handles SFO that did it

Exqueze me. Begging powder? CBP has "authorized' you to conduct exit checks? I do not believe that for a second.

Exsqueeze you. I never said an exit check now did I? I said gate screening and ID checks. Those are during the boarding process.

And how is that "working with CBP" ? Either the TSA is allowed, unlawful though it may be, to do Gate Nonsense or it isn't.

Oh BTW, do you ever "find" anything ?

I never said "work with CBP". There are certain things, like international flights, or even domestic flights that operate out of gates with customs access from them, that require the additional clearance from CBP, but CBP is not standing up there with us doing this.

Have I personally found something? No not myself, but I am aware of a situation where the gate team spotted a ramp worker coming in off the ramp and handing an item to a passenger.

And how did comparing ID and BP lead to that discovery?

The TSO saw it in the reflection of an ID hologram.

No. The current CFR authorizes TSA to validate ID in order to board an aircraft. It's a mind-numbingly stupid statute, of questionable constitutionality, but it is enforceable.

Alright, assuming the regulation is valid, how many times is TSA permitted to validate the same ID? This, after all, a gate check we're talking about. Assuming one could not have gotten to this point without having ID checked, what authority is there to demand that pax submit to second ID check?

Yes, I misread your post but I'm not sure I understand this one either. The passengers do not require 'additional clearance' (from CBP) to be there but TSOs do ? Thought you were on the same team. :confused:

he CFR doesn't say.

The TSA has simply assumed that authority like so many others; they only step back when a court tells them to (maybe). Nobody has challenged this particular excess yet. I sure wish someone would.

To the passenger, it's transparent as far as whether they are in a customs area or not when they are boarding. Even though we are on the the same team, there are some areas of the terminal designated as customs areas, such as even the walkways and jetways leading down to customs. Any of us that work in that area have to have to apply for clearance from CBP to work in those areas. We are not doing customs work per se', just doing our jobs in that designated area. Hope that clarifies things. Hard to explain things without giving away too much info you know?