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treznor Jul 9, 2010 4:22 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 14254801)
The best that GPS can do in normal mode (versus precision mode) is to locate you within 10m. It's simply not precise enough to help the TSA determine how long you've been in a line, especially one like the moat at IAD which snakes back & forth inside of 10m.

How much did we taxpayers pay for this one???

While I still wouldn't touch the app with a 10ft pole, your assertion is not true I don't believe. While GPS in normal mode may only have 10m resolution (have no idea if that's correct or not, I'm assuming it) that doesn't mean that the app can't figure out whether or not you are at the checkpoint, at least using a couple fairly reasonable assumptions.

Assumptions:
1) The first time you are more than 10m (or some other predetermined distance) past the checkpoint is when you cleared the checkpoint
2) The first time you are less than 10m in front of the checkpoint, and haven't moved more than 20m away from the checkpoint, is when you enter the checkpoint.

If you are getting multiple hits from people at the same checkpoint at the same time, it actually becomes easier to add that information into the algorithm to determine whether a person is currently 'waiting at the checkpoint'.

Wouldn't be exact, but it'd be pretty close.

Now back to our discussion about all the nefarious uses the government has for this app :)

#10 Jul 10, 2010 1:27 am


Originally Posted by pmocek (Post 14260130)
can you confirm or deny that passengers 18 years of age or older must have one of the 10 forms of identity credentials listed on the site in order to pass one of tsa's airport barricades?


Originally Posted by #10 (Post 14264757)
sattso???


Originally Posted by sattso (Post 14264776)
yes??


Originally Posted by pmocek (Post 14270905)
can you confirm or deny such?

SATTSO???


n4zhg Jul 10, 2010 5:48 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 14264714)
^ (which by the way is a subsidiary of the firm wee, fleecem & run :D)

Is their medical insurance provided by the offices of Howard, Fine and Howard?

DoctorK Jul 12, 2010 7:00 am

I used the mobile web option to learn that the security wait time at BUF was 31 minutes yesterday at 2:46pm. How does that help me this morning?

SATTSO Jul 12, 2010 8:36 pm


Originally Posted by DoctorK (Post 14284304)
I used the mobile web option to learn that the security wait time at BUF was 31 minutes yesterday at 2:46pm. How does that help me this morning?

It's a new app, I believe. As u understand, if many people use it more and current times will be post. Besides that it has access to flight delays from info provided by the FAA.

Is this a good app? Dunno.

greentips Jul 12, 2010 11:13 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14254167)
Fascist, huh? Really? Do you know what a fascist government is? If you really thought this government was fascist, why post here? Are you not afraid?

Yes. I do. and yes, I have concerns and have expressed them. And I have been afraid. Particularly when this site outed your SOP debacle last December and "agents" showed up at the individual's homes who merely reposted what your agency was too incompetent to properly, if questionably hide.


Considering that there is very little if any security at all over a cell phone, if someone wanted your info, they easily could get whatever you had on your phone.
Agreed. Which is why my GPS tracker is turned off. I'm sure someone who knows how could reprogram it over the air to turn itself back on, though.

TSA really wants people to use this? Then do what we in the open source community do. Post it on Sourceforge.net with the source code so we can examine it and determine what, if any, nefarious code exists in the package. I looked for the source code but it was not posted on the web site you supplied.

Until then, Ciao.

SATTSO Jul 12, 2010 11:34 pm


Originally Posted by greentips (Post 14289914)
Yes. I do. and yes, I have concerns and have expressed them. And I have been afraid. Particularly when this site outed your SOP debacle last December and "agents" showed up at the individual's homes who merely reposted what your agency was too incompetent to properly, if questionably hide.


Agreed. Which is why my GPS tracker is turned off. I'm sure someone who knows how could reprogram it over the air to turn itself back on, though.

TSA really wants people to use this? Then do what we in the open source community do. Post it on Sourceforge.net with the source code so we can examine it and determine what, if any, nefarious code exists in the package. I looked for the source code but it was not posted on the web site you supplied.

Until then, Ciao.

I believe you that you know what a fascist government is, and knowing that, you know we are no where close to being such.

The fact that the DHS criminal investigators showed up at individuals homes who outer the Management SO. Is public knowledge sort of proves this government is far from fascist. In a fascist government it would not be public knowledge until those people were jailed for life or executed.

The fact that we can post on this site messages of disdain for our government and it's agencies and the site remains open, the members of this site not jailed, is proof we are not in a fascist government.

Fascist governments, as you well know (not being sarcastic - I'm positive you know this), do not take kindly to opposition points of view. Yet this site and many others regarding all aspects of our government remain open. The US has so many sources of news, all free to report as they wish. All this is counter to a fascist government.


I could go on and on....

halls120 Jul 13, 2010 3:47 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14289982)
The fact that the DHS criminal investigators showed up at individuals homes who outer the Management SO. Is public knowledge sort of proves this government is far from fascist. In a fascist government it would not be public knowledge until those people were jailed for life or executed.

Just because the government hasn't become completely fascist doesn't mean we can't be concerned.

The SOP fiasco should have never happened. Your agency's leadership eventually apologized for its over the top response, but the fact that it got as far along as it did ought to have scared the crap out of anyone who believes in freedom.

N965VJ Jul 13, 2010 10:47 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14289982)
The fact that we can post on this site messages of disdain for our government and it's agencies and the site remains open, the members of this site not jailed, is proof we are not in a fascist government.

The TSA has all kinds of interesting ways of making the lives of those who find issue with them unpleasant.

Aero-News.net:

<SNIP> Finally; there's one thing that really bothers me in all this… this is a vindictive organization. TSA went after American Eagle after they let the press know of the actions of the errant Inspector that damaged their planes -- and the stories of people who have tried to correct or even challenge TSA, only to be victimized for it, are legion. This is something we know for a fact. I, and a number of other ANN staffers have been on and off various lists for years, as a result of of our editorial coverage of TSA… and I, personally, have had to deal with increased problems ever since we broke the story (along with ABC, I believe) of the aforementioned TSA Inspector who endangered those aircraft.

SATTSO Jul 13, 2010 10:58 am


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 14292465)
The TSA has all kinds of interesting ways of making the lives of those who find issue with them unpleasant.

Aero-News.net:

<SNIP> Finally; there's one thing that really bothers me in all this… this is a vindictive organization. TSA went after American Eagle after they let the press know of the actions of the errant Inspector that damaged their planes -- and the stories of people who have tried to correct or even challenge TSA, only to be victimized for it, are legion. This is something we know for a fact. I, and a number of other ANN staffers have been on and off various lists for years, as a result of of our editorial coverage of TSA… and I, personally, have had to deal with increased problems ever since we broke the story (along with ABC, I believe) of the aforementioned TSA Inspector who endangered those aircraft.

If you choose to belies this reporter....Which I suspect most here will, as it supports their bias.

Boggie Dog Jul 13, 2010 11:11 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14292540)
If you choose to belies this reporter....Which I suspect most here will, as it supports their bias.

What part of the article do you refute?

Scubatooth Jul 13, 2010 11:18 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14292540)
If you choose to belies this reporter....Which I suspect most here will, as it supports their bias.

Let see tsa employee climbs all over sensors and braking them. These sensors are marked "not a step" in a attempt to commit breaking and entering. Considering the cost of the damage it raises it to felony status. Then TSA has the balls to retaliate for there acts after it's brought to the medias attention. Hmm sounds fishy to me.

Sounds like to me filing a few attempted murder charges ( say one per seat on the plane for both passengers and crew) would be in order at min.

erictank Jul 14, 2010 7:37 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14292540)
If you choose to belies this reporter....Which I suspect most here will, as it supports their bias.

Both the incident in question and retaliation for reporting on it reached major news outlets, SAT. Do you have any evidence to counter the reporter's, or that his account was inaccurate or untrue in any particular?

No?

Well, then, SOMEONE'S 'supporting their own personal bias', but I don't think it's the reporter, or any of the resident "TSA-bashers" here...

SATTSO Jul 14, 2010 7:41 am


Originally Posted by Scubatooth (Post 14292656)
Let see tsa employee climbs all over sensors and braking them. These sensors are marked "not a step" in a attempt to commit breaking and entering. Considering the cost of the damage it raises it to felony status. Then TSA has the balls to retaliate for there acts after it's brought to the medias attention. Hmm sounds fishy to me.

Sounds like to me filing a few attempted murder charges ( say one per seat on the plane for both passengers and crew) would be in order at min.

Oh I don't doubt the inspectors damaged the plane. That part I believe.


Originally Posted by erictank (Post 14297869)
Both the incident in question and retaliation for reporting on it reached major news outlets, SAT. Do you have any evidence to counter the reporter's, or that his account was inaccurate or untrue in any particular?

No?

Well, then, SOMEONE'S 'supporting their own personal bias', but I don't think it's the reporter, or any of the resident "TSA-bashers" here...

Reached major news outlets? So what? The medial routinely reports incorrect information. Often times they do so by accident (perhaps a majority of the time), and by this I mean they simply report what people tell them. And we know what people say is allways correct, right? Other times stories are fabricated by the media, including well respected jouranalistic sources, such as print or TV or radio.

I do find it funny that people on this site eat up every negative story about TSA, and call any story that does not cast TSA in a negative light as a "fluff piece". I have yet to see the anti-TSA people here accept a supportive TSA story, even when it comes from a major new source. So if what you are saying is true, everyone on this site is incorrect to reject such stories, true?

Boggie Dog Jul 14, 2010 7:48 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 14297888)
Oh I don't doubt the inspectors damaged the plane. That part I believe.

What part of the article do you refute?


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